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Date:      Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:03:19 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Adam Strohl <adams@digitalspark.net>
To:        Dan Nelson <dnelson@emsphone.com>
Cc:        Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>, Thomas Dean <tomdean@ix.netcom.com>, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: More benchmarking stuff...
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909172002430.352-100000@nightfall.digitalspark.net>
In-Reply-To: <19990917104608.A55059@dan.emsphone.com>

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Actually, the IIRC, NetApps have NVRAM cache, powering the thing down and
back up doesn't change anything.

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On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Dan Nelson wrote:

> In the last episode (Sep 17), Brad Knowles said:
> > At 8:05 AM -0700 1999/9/17, Thomas Dean wrote:
> > > Are the files deleted before they are actually written to disk?
> > 
> > 	Good question.  I don't know the answer.  I know that the
> > process is to create all the files first, then operate on them
> > (including deletions and more creations), and then finally do a
> > removal of all of them as quickly as possible at the end of the test.
> > 
> > 	I'd be willing to guess a lot of files do get created and then
> > deleted before the data ever gets written to disk.  After all,
> > postmark was written to simulate the kind of a load that a
> > heavily-used mail system places on the machine, and that's precisely
> > the sort of environment where something like softupdates or mounting
> > filesystems async does tend to help the most.
> 
> Hmm.  But when you're running a mail spool, you _want_ your files to
> get committed to disk, don't you?  If you've got (guessing) 500 spool
> files sitting in unflushed disk caches and you reboot, those files are
> lost.  Softupdated just guarantees that the disk will be in a stable
> state after a crash, not that all data written before the crash will be
> available.
> 
> Don't NetApps do logging, so if the system crashes, the files are
> recovered from the log?
> 
> -- 
> 	Dan Nelson
> 	dnelson@emsphone.com
> 
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