Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:36:41 +1030 From: Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org> To: Joe & Fhe Barbish <barbish@a1poweruser.com> Cc: FBSD Questions <questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Editors in base FBSD Message-ID: <20020107113641.C68856@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <LPBBIGIAAKKEOEJOLEGOAEJFCLAA.barbish@a1poweruser.com> References: <20020107102311.G45844@wantadilla.lemis.com> <LPBBIGIAAKKEOEJOLEGOAEJFCLAA.barbish@a1poweruser.com>
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On Sunday, 6 January 2002 at 19:45:02 -0500, Joe & Fhe Barbish wrote: > On Sunday, January 06, 2002 6:53 PM, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Sunday, 6 January 2002 at 9:51:40 -0600, jacks@sage-american.com wrote: >>> At 10:23 AM 1.6.2002 -0500, Joe & Fhe Barbish wrote: >>>> >>>> I know of vi and ee = very primitive and just primitive >>>> that are part of the base. Are there any others? >> >> If you think vi is very primitive, let alone more primitive than ee, >> then you've missed something. It's not primitive, it's very powerful, >> but also a pain to use. > > As the original poster of this subject I may have > worded my statements based on my experiences of editors > I have used on IBM mainframes. Very primitive to me > equates to very hard to use (IE very un_user friendly) I certainly wouldn't make that comparison. > and I have not read any responses that disagree with that. Well, you must have missed a couple that I saw, then. > To me, a command line editor is one that is launched from the FBSD > command line as to from within X11. I am building web servers, > firewall servers, email servers and none of them will ever have x11 > installed or x11 desktops. So put the editor on a different machine. > I need a strong editor launched from the command line that does not > need x11 to function. At work I can always plug the development FBSD > box into the production hub to gain access to it from my personal > production mswindows box and use tn3270 to telnet in or FTP/95 to > move selected files over for edit update and return it. This seems a really strange way of doing things. Run X on your development machine and use it as the display for the editor. > But I really need a native FBSD edit solution for disaster recovery > where the mswindows LAN is down or not present at that site. > > So let me re-ask my question to you in better terms. > > Do you know of any editors that are launched from the command > line, that do not need x11 to run, that displays a full screen > and uses mouse point & click to position the curser and allows > cut or copy and past functions, along with PK keys for top of > file, bottom of file, exit with save, exit without save, and > standard keyboard arrow button & insert, delete, page up, > page down buttons? Yes, Emacs. Note that, like just about every editor, it's dynamically linked, so you'll need to have /usr online to use it. The best way to do this is to not have a separate /usr file system. > What I am looking for is a full featured editor like ISPF edit on > IBM MVS systems or it's clone PC ISPF EDIT for mswindows? ISPF is not a full-featured editor. It really looks to me like you want to use exactly the environment you're used to, not the environment which would be most suitable. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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