From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Feb 9 15:09:50 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A67CD70BD for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:09:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7531DF4 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D9F04CD70BC; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:09:49 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D998DCD70B9 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mouf.net (mouf.net [IPv6:2607:fc50:0:4400:216:3eff:fe69:33b3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mouf.net", Issuer "mouf.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAAE61DF3 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:09:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [10.0.1.70] (cpe-071-065-239-148.nc.res.rr.com [71.65.239.148] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mouf.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v19F9Y8i000411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 9 Feb 2017 15:09:41 GMT (envelope-from swills@FreeBSD.org) Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! To: scratch65535@att.net, freebsd-ports References: <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> From: Steve Wills Message-ID: <35a953e3-918b-fc32-d990-51f7da16c884@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 10:09:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lss98XJ8IJF20pVVLVJegWTreSvxwoQNF" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (mouf.net [199.48.129.64]); Thu, 09 Feb 2017 15:09:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=4.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,PLING_QUERY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mouf.net X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mouf.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 15:09:50 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --lss98XJ8IJF20pVVLVJegWTreSvxwoQNF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ISf0kTTbhNSdUp8OcJ8ube5OWLDO6LwKk"; protected-headers="v1" From: Steve Wills To: scratch65535@att.net, freebsd-ports Message-ID: <35a953e3-918b-fc32-d990-51f7da16c884@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! References: <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: --ISf0kTTbhNSdUp8OcJ8ube5OWLDO6LwKk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On 02/08/2017 12:34, scratch65535@att.net wrote: >=20 > I *did* check for bug reports. I did a search on "utimenstat" > and found exactly one, which had been withdrawn as not being a > bug.=20 >=20 > But it *is* a bug. It's a bug on several levels, the most > significant of which is that the overly frantic schedule makes > versions have the lifespan of a mayfly. And we're told "just > upgrade", as though there's some physical law mandating the > craziness. Ports and packages are maintained on the assumption that the user is using a supported version of the OS. We didn't decide when to end support for 10.1 or 10.2. How long after the end of life for 10.1 would you have ports maintain support? > There are people for whom the system is a tool, not a hobby. They > don't want to have to rebuild their tools any more than > carpenters want to replace their hammers and levels every year or > two. =20 If you've having trouble upgrading that are causing you to rebuild, then that's a different issue, but not one I can help with. It doesn't change the fact that we don't support unsupported versions of the OS. > For those people (I'm one) long version lifespans and bug-free > operation is a much bigger desideratum than winning the secret > race (I presume there is some kind of secret race going on, since > otherwise the crazy scheduling makes No Sense At All). I can't > work out what the strategy for winning is, if there is a > strategy, but I do know that it's not working. Linux has all > but won already, and that's sickening. Ports are maintained by volunteers. If you would like to volunteer to support branches for longer periods of time, let's talk about that. > I've been using the o/s since before v2 (I still have the cds) > and have watched FreeBSD go from being the leading Unix on Intel > boxes to all-but-dead. I don't know how to express how saddened > I feel about that. I think ports are really improving and the rate of improvement is going u= p. 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