From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Thu Feb 16 02:12:58 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A00CE12DC for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 02:12:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (static-24-113-41-81.wavecable.com [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4AA11BBD for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2017 02:12:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id v1G2DOAO010526 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 18:13:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) To: In-Reply-To: <5c220e2a-88c9-c79d-75e9-99bac16573fc@jetcafe.org> References: <336aca05-3a85-5881-4c51-ea58d1d203a2@FreeBSD.org> <3FC190C8-2F60-4215-8BFB-A0C79FE04F17@freebsd.org> <930aa508-18e4-6951-7880-e7934a1be0bc@FreeBSD.org>, <5c220e2a-88c9-c79d-75e9-99bac16573fc@jetcafe.org> From: "Chris H" Subject: Re: Expulsion of John Marino - reasons and impact? Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 18:13:30 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=fixed MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 02:12:58 -0000 On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:42:33 -0800 Dave Hayes wrote > On 02/14/2017 15:15, Bryan Drewery wrote: > > On 2/14/2017 2:58 PM, Michael Gmelin wrote: > >>> On 14 Feb 2017, at 22:16, Bryan Drewery wrote: > >>>> On 2/14/2017 12:50 PM, Dewayne Geraghty wrote: > >>>> https://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports?view=revision&revision=433827 > >>> I think that commit message combined with > >>> https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html is enough. > >> The commit message basically says that he misbehaved once too often and > >> the CoC defines what "misbehave" might mean. Not over the top > >> transparent/detailed to be honest. > Right, would you want an organization > >> you volunteered for to drag your > name through the mud for some reason? > > For reference, the commit message has this text: > > > Their behaviour towards their fellow contributors has repeatedly fallen > > short of what the Project expects of its members. They were given multiple > > warnings that their interactions with other contributors needed to improve > > and unfortunately they did not. > > Don't you think his name is -already- dragged through the mud by having > one's commit bit removed with reasons as stated above? > > Just curious. :) Hello. Is there an *adult* in the room? c'mon. Am I the only one here that see's this as childish behavior? I feel like I'm in a classroom in elementary school, and the teacher just punished one of the students for misbehavior. Or maybe Parents scolding their bickering kids. Aghhh! Don't any of you get it?! You're plowing through thousands of lines of code. You're anxious, you've got a few hundred pr(1)'s to get through. The last thing you are right now is "feely". You intend to get these PR's out, so things can move forward with the ports tree. Which will really help *everyone*. I've been in this sort of situation *thousands* of times, myself. The pressure gets to you. *John* is not the only one here that gets, or ever feels this way, and any of you who have made *any* real commitments to the FreeBSD source/ports/$WORK know damn good and well what I mean here. Summary; This action is a childish outburst by someone, or someone(s) with the power to pull, or the influence to pull commit bits. Pure, and simple. This is NOT how a PROFESSIONAL organization reacts to situations where quality personnel are involved. This sort of thing looks REALLY bad in the press! Say what you want about me. But I know well, and good that many, if not most of you reading along, know what I am saying is at *least* not far off. Thank you for your indulgence, and apologies if any of my language should seem offensive. After some 30 years on BSD, I feel strongly about it, and this sort of thing *really* disappoints me. --Chris