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Date:      Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:18:22 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>
To:        dyson@iquest.net
Cc:        tlambert@primenet.com, toasty@home.dragondata.com, mike@smith.net.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: vm_page_zero_fill
Message-ID:  <199902170218.TAA16616@usr08.primenet.com>
In-Reply-To: <199902170152.UAA00758@y.dyson.net> from "John S. Dyson" at Feb 16, 99 08:52:28 pm

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> > Expecting sbrk'ed pages to be zero filled is just *wrong*.
>
> Actually, you have to support that on most practical architectures.

[ ... ]

> malloc and calloc are different.  Memory is often recycled in the
> address space when using malloc.  sbrk is a security violation if
> the pages aren't prezeroed (or defined to be something other than
> data in other processes or freed data from the kernel :-)).

Well, the intended application doesn't care about security, so it
should be possible to turn it off.  8-).

The thing that appalled me was what you said about BSS being zero'ed
in the kernel space using zeroed pages instead of as a result of an
explicit zeroing by the execution class loader.

On second thought, though, are the BSS pages zeroed because they
are backed by zero-fill pages, rather than grabbed in user space
via sbrk?  That's less apalling.  You could conditionalize that
code.

I think the compile option he wants to add is "VM_FG_ZERO_PAGES"
or something similar, that indicates the subsystem effected and
the effect, and then "VM_DIRTY_PAGES_OK".

In other words, I'd seperate turning off the background zeroing and
the default-mandatory nature of pages zeroed for security rather
than functional purposes.

Another place that would have to be conditionalized, besides the
/dev/zero and BSS issues, would be backing store for file pages
allocated on a file extend.  I know a number of programs that
rely on the POSIX sideways promise that "holes contain zeros"
(it's OK to break security, but not semantics).


					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
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