From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 7 17:32:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDA616A4CE for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:32:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D659543D68 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:32:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from diamond ([206.116.24.146]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.00.05.02 201-2115-109-103-20031105) with SMTP id <20040108013212.YYEX16756.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@diamond>; Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:32:12 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c3d587$3471cb80$c701a8c0@diamond> From: "Peter Kieser" To: "Mike Hoskins" References: <000b01c3d57f$a5c4d910$c701a8c0@diamond> <3FFCB0F2.6040206@adept.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:31:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Today X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 01:32:15 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hoskins" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 5:22 PM Subject: Re: FreeBSD Today > > for situations where the current installer doesn't quite fit the bill... > "BSD from scratch" is one alternate answer. of course that's probably > considered "ultra geek" and not for every day newbie use. it does give > strict control over the install though. working to wrap some > "run-anywhere", "user-friendly" interface around this sort of "power > tool" (more like a power process, since it currently involves disparate > scripts/makefiles) would probably make some people happy. > > http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200302/fbsdscratch.html > I agree. If it doesn't fit the bill, role your own. I can install FreeBSD in my sleep, and I'd be really ticked off if they changed the installation much. I like it for it's simplicity, it reminds me of installing a Novell NetWare 3.12, or a 4.11 server =) > > Modular development tools are also a no-no, you can't compile FreeBSD 4.x > > with 3.3 gcc.. (afaik), that would be asking for big trouble. > > it may be nice to allow such things to be more easily removed for > "security" reasons, but one certainly does have to avoid shooting > themselves in the foot. in places where this is actually desired, it > would probably be better to run a custom distro (which could really just > be freebsd minus some agreed upon things to remove, backed by policy, > enforced by script) or look at embedded/hardening projects which already > do this or make it relatively moot. > That's what OVERRIDE_BASE (sp?) is for in ports. --Peter