From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 9 20:16:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C6E37B400 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jive.SoftHome.net (jive.SoftHome.net [66.54.152.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0723E43E4A for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:16:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yid@softhome.net) Received: (qmail 5480 invoked by uid 417); 10 Sep 2002 03:16:27 -0000 Received: from shunt-smtp-out-0 (HELO softhome.net) (172.16.3.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 03:16:27 -0000 Received: from planb ([216.194.25.11]) (AUTH: LOGIN yid@softhome.net) by softhome.net with esmtp; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:16:24 -0600 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:16:09 -0400 From: Joshua Lee To: "Neal E. Westfall" Cc: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Message-Id: <20020909231609.68ac5883.yid@softhome.net> In-Reply-To: <20020906181354.C44831-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> References: <20020907002242.GC15779@hades.hell.gr> <20020906181354.C44831-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> Organization: Plan B Software Labs X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:30:52 -0700 (PDT) "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: > Correction. Logic and ethics are meaningless without objective > standards, and objective standards are impossible without appealing > to something, well, *objective*. "Objective" means that it comes to > you from the outside, externally, i.e. "not subjective". So No, "objective" can operate according to natural law without having to appeal to an external source. e.g. Kantian ethics. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message