From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu May 24 15:22:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60DBEF4967 for ; Thu, 24 May 2018 15:22:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D7C7720F7; Thu, 24 May 2018 15:22:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id w4OFMEVI041052; Thu, 24 May 2018 08:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id w4OFMCeK041051; Thu, 24 May 2018 08:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201805241522.w4OFMCeK041051@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: [RFC] Deprecation and removal of the drm2 driver In-Reply-To: <20180523155255.GF24664@FreeBSD.org> To: Glen Barber Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 08:22:12 -0700 (PDT) CC: Philip Homburg , "K. Macy" , "A. Wilcox" , FreeBSD Current X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 15:22:16 -0000 > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 11:48:38AM +0200, Philip Homburg wrote: > > >Also as the Moore's law curve flattens expect the life of these > > >older, but not so old, machines to live quiet some time. I > > >believe we are talking sandy bridge and earlier? If that is > > >corret Sandy bridge is still a very viable system. > > > > I noticed this lack of love for older systems recently. > > > > I wanted to use an older Dell server to test the 11.2 BETAs and RCs. > > > > Turns out, you can't install FreeBSD using a USB stick image because the > > BIOS only support MBR. No idea why MBR support was dropped for the USB images. > > > > In the end I had to find a CD burner, and after a couple of tries managed to > > install from CD. > > > > After that, my ansible playbooks started failing because /boot/loader.conf > > is absent if you boot from zfs in combination with MBR. > > > > Pity. This older server hardware is great for trying out new releases, play > > with zfs, etc. > > The disc1.iso (as well as bootonly.iso and dvd1.iso) images are now > built as hybrid images, supporting both MBR and GPT, as well as being > written to a flash drive (like memstick.img) as well as a CD. To clarify a minor point here, are the amd64 disc1.iso images or both the amd64 and i386 disk1.iso images being built as "hybrid"? As this is what I see on my system: root@x230a:/home/ISO/x # file FreeBSD-11.2-BETA2-* FreeBSD-11.2-BETA2-amd64-disc1.iso: DOS/MBR boot sector; partition 1 : ID=0xee, start-CHS (0x0,0,2), end-CHS (0x3ff,255,63), startsector 1, 1472695 sectors FreeBSD-11.2-BETA2-i386-disc1.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data '11_2_BETA2_I386_CD' (bootable) > MBR support was initially removed from the memstick installer, as it is > not compatible with some UEFI implementations. (Or, at least that is my > understanding, based on my limited intimate knowledge of UEFI.) > > Glen > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org