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Date:      Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:11:20 +1100
From:      jonathan michaels <jon@caamora.com.au>
To:        "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com>
Cc:        freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD - A User's Point of View
Message-ID:  <19990125151120.H18834@caamora.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <36ABE1DB.15EFFF9F@newsguy.com>; from Daniel C. Sobral on Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 12:15:39PM %2B0900
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On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 12:15:39PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote:
> jonathan michaels wrote:
> > 
> > yes, it is starting to look like that. now all i have to do is workout how to
> > sell teh 'softupdates' concept to a died in teh wool novell journelling fs
> > database manager whose hide has been saved more than once by journelling.
> > 
> > ummm, not an easy task . but we will prevail .. grin.
> 
> If he understand what he is talking about, and if Novell DTRT, you
> can't.
> 
> Softupdates will garantee metadata consistency, though our
> implementation still depends on fsck to remove partial metadata
> commits (these partial commits do *not* leave the fs in an
> inconsistent state, mind you).
> 
> If the transaction interface is exported from Novell's jfs to the
> application, though, it will garantee application data consistency
> as well. In the specific case of databases, this is a MAJOR win.

yup, this is what it is all about, rdbms, i'm not sure if its sybase/informix 
or oracle, but you can build web server database backends and do online 
maintenance with it (i think this sorta makes it oracle).
 
> If it is not exporting the transaction interface, though, or if the
> application is not using it, one would be hard pressed to provide
> any advantage of his jfs to our softupdates. I think. :-)

as i said, he seems to think its teh onlyway to go, and now with oracle having 
a linux version, i think thier is a chance to slow the drift to ms win nt.

regards

jonathan

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