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From: Richard Chang <richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
To: Jake Hamby <jehamby@lightside.com>
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Subject: Re: Lesstif (motif compatible) package.
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On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Jake Hamby wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Richard Chang wrote:
> 
> > 	Speaking about motif, is there anyway to have the same X
> > environment as in what is used on SUNOS 5.3 (Solaris) on SUN Sparc5's and
> > what is used on HP Apollo Workstations with the same desktop under FreeBSD?
> 
> Before Solaris 2.4, the Openwindows environment supplied with Solaris (and
> SunOS) was completely OPEN LOOK oriented, with that widget set.
> Personally, I find OPEN LOOK ugly and non-intuitive, but I like a few of
> the OPEN LOOK "Deskset" tools, such as Perfmeter, and the public domain
> program Workman.
> 
> Starting with Solaris 2.4, Sun included the Motif libraries and header
> files, but it took until Solaris 2.5 to receive the Motif window
> manager, some useful Motif tools, and the Motif man pages, as part of the
> Common Desktop Environment (which is on a separate CD-ROM).  I believe HP
> workstations use Motif (and have long before Sun adopted it), so I suspect
> this is what you're referring to.

	I think it might be the motif one since it has that box on the bottom
of the screen.

> Under FreeBSD, you can get the OPEN LOOK Xview toolkit for free (it is in
> the ports collection), and it comes with Clock, the Open look window
> manager, command tool, and you can compile Workman (another port) with it.
> You don't get any of the other Deskset tools you might be used to from
> SunOS/Solaris however (mailtool, perfmeter, etc.).  You'll have to buy
> Solaris/X86 if you want that.

	Will the OPEN LOOK Xview toolkit need a certain windows manager or
will fvwm be the closest to motif?

> As for Motif (which I think you were referring to), a binary
> distribution costs about $150, and FreeBSD versions are available from
> several sources, such as SWiM.  Sorry, I don't have any contact
> information for them.. Anyway, it looks like Common Desktop Environment
> (extended Motif 1.2 plus some goodies in a more integrated desktop
> environment) will be available soon for FreeBSD too.

	Sounds good.

> Oh, and don't forget, if you actually have a Sun or HP workstation
> available, you can log in to it from your FreeBSD box, setenv DISPLAY
> back to your computer, and run any program available for those
> machines on your X server.  Have fun!

	I know but it's slow since it constantly has to redraw the entire 
screen. 

Richard