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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k48sm15251508qtc.14.2020.07.27.05.24.39 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 05:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BFfBZ3mWHz1GnK for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:24:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:24:27 -0400 From: Jerry To: "User Questions" Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200727082427.3dd26eeb@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20200725182554.deffc63058a7c9f6d343ef06@sohara.org> <04df312d-9b2b-1873-2117-79a49e089bd9@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200726063256.GA22924@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200726093909.ee5e14e643d31da4dad5c804@sohara.org> <20200726151835.GA35966@admin.sibptus.ru> <27ca8c6c-6b06-6ad4-7af0-2b88f51a3856@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200726165212.a0ac28ce104b9dfd009cc4c5@sohara.org> <20200727025242.GA48950@admin.sibptus.ru> <04bb7095-3e62-22d7-9db7-cfba3c66247b@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200727063036.31316d93@scorpio.seibercom.net> Reply-To: "User Questions" Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/tIlj+eIdQOU7pyjdzpm_.ZE"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BFfBf5Dj6z4vkT X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=efKeQ/CJ; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::742 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.01 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.72)[-0.721]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.968]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.30)[0.304]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::742:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:24:43 -0000 --Sig_/tIlj+eIdQOU7pyjdzpm_.ZE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:42:10 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 6:31 AM Jerry wrote: > >> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 05:18:13 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: =20 >> >On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:50 AM Roderick wrote: >> > =20 >> >> >> >> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> >> =20 >> >> > All this being said there is a rash of *SOME* of the regular set >> >> > of =20 >> >> posters =20 >> >> > who say "FreeBSD is not designed for XYZ, don't use it for XYZ >> >> > use Linux instead" (this is not helpful and is nothing but >> >> > being a troll). =20 >> >> >> >> A completely acceptable answer. >> >> >> >> What is not acceptable, is, converting the mailbox of each of the >> >> (hundreds? thouthands?) members of the list into a chat room for >> >> small talk. >> >> >> >> For small talk is more appropriate the mentioned >> >> =20 >> > >> >Not according to the handbook's description of each list: >> > >> >-questions@: User questions and technical support >> >-chat@: Non-technical items related to the FreeBSD community >> > >> >The questions being asked were by a user of FreeBSD and were >> >technical in nature (the technical merits of FreeBSD vs. Linux). >> >Here are the other possible lists and by their descriptions none of >> >them made sense for the subject matter of the OP's post: >> > >> >-advocacy@: FreeBSD Evangelism (the OP was not asking how to market >> >FreeBSD just defend it on technical grounds to upper management of >> >their org) -women@: Victor is not a very female name (enough said) >> > >> >There is no -smalltalk@ list and even if there was it would be a >> >misleading name since there is a programming language by that name. >> > >> >So the bottom line is @questions- is the best (and only) place for >> >such threads. If you want a new group, suggest one to the owners >> >of the freebsd mailing lists and see if you can make one. >> > >> >or the web forum =20 >> >> >> >> https://forums.freebsd.org =20 >> > >> > >> >The handbook says mailing lists are the prefered way to communicate >> >about FreeBSD so suggesting the forum is pointless if you want to >> >get the widest possible input. To quote "The mailing lists are the >> >most direct way of addressing questions or opening a technical >> >discussion to a concentrated FreeBSD audience." =20 >> >> In keeping with my 'KISS' principal, why not simply start a new list, >> appropriately titled: "FreeBSD vs. Linux". In order to insure a >> viable user base, follow the same procedure as the the regular >> FreeBSD questions list and allow postings sans any preregistration. >> =20 > >I am not the one suggesting it (please stop putting words in my mouth) >it is the person I was replying to that suggested it. You obviously suffer from a persecutory attitude. I simply replied to the post in the order I receive it. >> I belong to other forums where a similar technique is used to route >> messages to the appropriate message board. I assume it is >> technologically possible to implement that on FreeBSD. I know Linux >> and Microsoft boards that employ that procedure. :) >> =20 > >Would require AI to do that right and AI is more often wrong then it is >right in it's guesses on fuzzy stuff like topic of messages. So this >certainly does not keep with your so proclaimed love of "KISS" >(despite the fact that every suggestion you have made in this entire >thread is anything but "simple"). Not necessarily an AI. A dedicated moderator or perhaps two could easily handle the chore. It is not like they would have to filter tens of thousands of posts on a daily basis. From what I have been able to ascertain, that is the general procedure used on other boards. One, that appears to work quite well. Seriously, Aryeh have you ever considered that possibility that you suffer from a form of Oppositional Defiant behavior? --=20 Jerry Inter arma enim silent l=C4=93g=C4=93s=20 --Sig_/tIlj+eIdQOU7pyjdzpm_.ZE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl8ex3sACgkQOHMGOIfe xWSAIQgAseZOsfF4KBpNtcj1JoU+QudXezfBVyTBRmqN8Zs07Vd5yoNriLMRJSfH ffcI0cPzIqafSFGRvuCCNTDB//RSbVjyYaSsSUB0OtIZPqyNyVfjImwBJ4UfTV+Z lK9zhkONOfJ/4sg2fwrtl+R/1h7/A91MAdIPvtk5StMeX3TswSytp8HZ/1mSqJ8Z NFLXwQjQJ5sfS0G+maU56dAA0s0vjvoFA6qK8BY9QnfMMRp8dTLSrK7Dvv+Z9e1p iWltUEAGk5vrg2BhgVHFQuyB8YqzCeigw4VHVIZtxdcreGeW3h0kyrzfrAxzuxm+ givxFJ7ZBJKPUjFGX50xHHfKFiV+iQ== =2vNv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/tIlj+eIdQOU7pyjdzpm_.ZE--