From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 15 12:51:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C78AA8833 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468RCd51MHz3KZ1 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.18.144]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MeD1l-1iWkgz26ER-00bGyJ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:51:18 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:51:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: hw Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? 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If Firefox > generally doesn't work with FreeBSD, that would have been an > explanation, and that was what I wanted to know. Seeing that so many > things are missing from the version FreeBSD uses is not exactly > encouraging. What do you consider "missing from FreeBSD's Firefox version"? Am I reading this correctly? Given that the FreeBSD version of Firefox version is essentially the Linux version of Firefox _ported_ to FreeBSD, I cannot imagine things are "missing" - except maybe those that heavily rely on Linux mechanisms that don't exist on FreeBSD, but then, the "Windows" version of Firefox would miss them, too. > That NFS doesn't work right was unexpected and unknown, and I was > assuming that NFS is compatible with NFS since anything else doesn't > make sense. As others have confirmed their NFS settings are working fully as expected, you should review your configuration. You already could confirm that it works among Linux systems, if I remember correctly. So FreeBSD is "the new part" here. It still leaves the possibility (!) that "Linux NFS" is broken in a way that it only works with Linux, and not entirely as expected with non-Linux systems such as FreeBSD. I've been running NFS setups with Linux, BSD, and Solaris, but that way mamy years ago. Maybe things have disimproved since ... ;-) > > Again, this might be a problem with FreeBSD, a problem in CentOS, a > > problem with how you configured them... > > We cannot tell if you don't provide info. > > Also, I'd be suprised if this only affected FireFox (which was the > > original subject), as several other programs wouldn't work then... > > Firefox was the one I tried to get to work; if others didn't work > either, I didn't get so far as to find it out other than a while ago > when it turned out that NFS in FreeBSD sucks because it's incapable of > exporting directories with the permissions as required. Could that be a configuration problem? Again, it would help if you could quickly describe your setup. What OS is the NFS server? What does it serve? What's the client? Where does the Firefox binary reside? Where the home directory of the user that starts it? > > > Have you tried that? > > > > No. > > Everything here is FreeBSD based. > > So that is already a difference. Definitely. Interoperability can lead to the "funniest" explorations... :-) > > > What will you do when you run into bug 220004? > > > > I don't know. > > I'm not using 12 yet: I see .0 releases (of any software) as potentially > > immature and buggy and I'm absolutely not switching until 12.1 is > > out. > > Then why doesn't the documentation warn about this? Because (1) nobody noticed yet, and (2) because the attitude to not use .0 software is nothing "standard", but a specific preference of certain people (who probably have good reasons to do so). Personally, I've never been bitten by a .0 version of FreeBSD. I run Firefox successfully on 12.0-p7/i386, but there is no NFS involved. > I was trying to > find out what the recommended stable version is, and that seems to be > 12 release. Why call it release when it's still beta? Because it isn't beta. FreeBSD has strong guidelines in place that prevent immature software to be released as a -RELEASE version: alpha, beta, release candidate(s), release version. But mistakes _can_ happen, and bugs might slip through. That's what the patches are for. So if you plan a new installation, you should use the current release, which is 12.0, and after installation, use freebsd-update to get the available patches. If you wish to use an older version, that's possible too, and that would be 11.3, which _also_ has the status of "production release", so it's _not_ legacy. More information here: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/ Or you wait until 12.1, but that's probably not a solution here. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...