From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 6 15:05:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A3E16A41C for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:05:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from yuval_levy@yahoo.com) Received: from teby.sfina.com (teby.sfina.com [216.194.67.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EDAF543D1F for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:05:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from yuval_levy@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 23470 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 15:05:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 15:05:02 -0000 Message-ID: <42A466E4.6070609@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 11:08:20 -0400 From: Yuval Levy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Buelow References: <285af087050603095356601a3d@mail.gmail.com> <200506061249.j56Cn1vd018910@lurza.secnetix.de> <285af08705060606255e26aa5b@mail.gmail.com> <42A454AF.3010908@incubus.de> In-Reply-To: <42A454AF.3010908@incubus.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: filesystems not properly unmounted [OT] X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:05:04 -0000 Matthias Buelow wrote: >I don't understand this "we need to compete with Windows on the desktop" >thing. I've never considered Windows to be particularly useful as a >desktop environment, why should the Unix systems compete with it? > > > You don't need to compete with Windows. You want to compete against yourself, and improve your own results to become even better. Usability is a count on which FreeBSD has weaknesses, especially in the eye of the large segment of users who value a GUI, i.e. those coming from the Windows world. For as much as I'd like to get rid of Windows on the desktop, I still find myself spending 80% of my time with it... even now, although I am using Thunderbird, available on many OS. The reason is that there is often this one or two application that drive the decision, in this case which is not available under other platforms (yes, there are alternatives but I have not had time to look into them yet) and Adobe Photoshop, which I could run on a Mac OSX, but I'd have to spend money on overpriced hardware I do not want. >[And btw., please let's move this discussion to -advocacy, since it >doesn't really belong on this list.] > > Agree with you, the FreeBSD vs. Windows belongs in advocacy. In my opinion the original topic of the thread still belongs where it was started. Yuv