From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 10 14:35:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0C3106C77E for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:35:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Received: from mail.ze.tum.de (mail.ze.tum.de [IPv6:2001:4ca0:2e03::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.ze.tum.de", Issuer "Zertifizierungsstelle der TUM" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55F6A8D457 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:35:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) Received: from [192.168.71.66] (ppp-93-104-177-22.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.177.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ze.tum.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w7AEZiUm049311 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:35:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from estartu@ze.tum.de) X-Authentication-Warning: hades.ze.tum.de: Host ppp-93-104-177-22.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.177.22] claimed to be [192.168.71.66] Subject: Re: No Extended Support Version right now? 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No it's not because you have to do minor updates roughly every year. Every update brings new features and changes in the system. So you have to go thru all the tests that a major update causes. There is just no ABI change so you don't have to recompile every installed software. LTS means that you don't have to do all the testing before installing updates because there should no changes in features or how the system does things, only security problems are fixed. Regards Estartu