From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Mar 3 20:52:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 08EB737B404 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from jlboss (AUTH poptime) at wks-94-207-167.kscable.com (HELO there) (24.94.207.167) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 04:50:43 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Justin L. Boss" To: Kenneth Wayne Culver Subject: Re: NVIDIA 3D FreeBSD Drivers Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 22:50:43 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Cc: "Brian T.Schellenberger" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020304045220.08EB737B404@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I know KEn, I just wont people to see that they are impeding FreeBSD not helping. On Sunday 03 March 2002 10:45 pm, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > Well, I don't think this has anything to do with Microsoft. Some people > just don't like the idea that this driver isn't going to be open > source. They think it's akin to prostitution to actually want a company to > release a closed source driver. I just want to be able to turn on my > computer, start up quake 3, and play. I don't care who wrote the drivers, > and if nvidia writes the drivers, it's that much better because they're > known for writing fast drivers for their hardware. > > Ken > > On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Justin L. Boss wrote: > > Thanks Kin. Sometimes I get the idea the micro soft has their people > > subscribe to this list just to try to undermind what we are trying to do > > for FreeBSD, don't you. We just need to keep making sense and I think > > the message will get through. > > > > On Sunday 03 March 2002 08:53 pm, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > > > > I don't think I'm missing your point, I just disagree with it. > > > > > > > > Instead of fighting for FreeBSD I'd rather fight for open source > > > > software, and the nvidia Linux "solution" is to include Linux in > > > > their closed-source world. You want them to include FreeBSD in their > > > > closed-source world as well. > > > > > > > > This seems more like betrayal to the cause than fighting for the > > > > cause to me, and I, for one, am not going to fight for that. > > > > > > > > A petition for them to release their information so that FreeBSD > > > > *and* other O/S's could take advantage of their hardware--*that*, I > > > > would support. > > > > > > > > But not this. > > > > > > So let me get this straight... You would rather wait for something that > > > is never going to happen than see usable 3d drivers come out for > > > FreeBSD. This is unrealistic. Nvidia is legally unable to release > > > source for their drivers, and I think we should be happy that they want > > > to support FreeBSD at all. There is no legal or moral obligation for > > > them to release specs for their cards or open-source drivers. The fact > > > that they are releasing drivers at all is enough for me (and most other > > > people that actually want to USE the 3d support that they paid for.) > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > > On Saturday 02 March 2002 11:05 pm, you wrote: > > > > > You are all missing the point. This is for 3d hardware support > > > > > first of all. I'm using a G-Force2 now and it work just fine for me > > > > > too, with out 3d support. It is also about letting people know how > > > > > many people use FreeBSD, its about letting hareware and software > > > > > vendors know that they need to be writing drivers, application and > > > > > games for FreeBSD because so many people use it. I don't like linux > > > > > and I do not like comparing FreeBSD and linux because FreeBSD > > > > > towering over linux in every way. But one thing I will say is that > > > > > linux users are willing to fight for linux . That may be one of the > > > > > resons why linux is more popular then FreeBSD. It sure isn't > > > > > because linux is better. Someone will say "theirs no games for > > > > > FreeBSD that use 3d acceleration yet" and I say "their won't be > > > > > until it can support it". You can't put the horse before the buggy. > > > > > No one can say for sure that FreeBSD will be around forever. I > > > > > sure the FreeBSD team would say if it wasn't for our contbution > > > > > when we get the four set cd-rom for $29-$39. If we didn't donate > > > > > our money they would have to close down. I can't be sure but it > > > > > takes money to make the world go round ask Enron. And the more > > > > > vendors that support FreeBSD, the more people will use FreeBSD, the > > > > > more money will come in and the faster freeBSD will grow and the > > > > > more we will benefit. I just woke up so if this is screw up sorry > > > > > but you get the just. > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday 03 March 2002 03:19 am, Benjamin Krueger wrote: > > > > > > * Brian T . Schellenberger (bts@babbleon.org) [020303 00:26]: > > > > > > > On Saturday 02 March 2002 10:09 am, Justin L. Boss wrote: > > > > > > > > I know not everone uses FreeBSD for a desktop but if you like > > > > > > > > FreeBSD and are interested in seeing it become one of the > > > > > > > > most successfully OS ever and you think you will ever use it > > > > > > > > as a desktop and like to have 3d support then take a minute > > > > > > > > and go to http://nvidia.netexplorer.org/petition.html and > > > > > > > > fill out the petition. It is your OS, fight for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not just avoid nvidia entirely? Or fight for public > > > > > > > release of the specs instead of trying to get FreeBSD added to > > > > > > > the list of "blessed" OS's like Linux and Windows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Avoid proprietary solutions and venders of hardware that are > > > > > > > unwilling to work with open-source code. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unwilling, or unable? As I've heard, they will not release specs > > > > > > because they cannot release specs as per licensing contracts for > > > > > > their technology. This hardly seems like a damnable offense to > > > > > > me, especially considering it helps them build excellent > > > > > > hardware. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the matter of not having support for NVidia cards under > > > > > > FreeBSD... > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Section "Module" > > > > > > Load "extmod" > > > > > > Load "xie" > > > > > > Load "pex5" > > > > > > Load "glx" > > > > > > Load "dri" > > > > > > Load "dbe" > > > > > > Load "record" > > > > > > Load "freetype" > > > > > > EndSection > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Section "Device" > > > > > > Identifier "Card0" > > > > > > Driver "nv" > > > > > > VendorName "NVidia" > > > > > > BoardName "GeForce2 MX" > > > > > > BusID "PCI:1:5:0" > > > > > > EndSection > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > My NVidia card works fine under FreeBSD for me. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Brian T. Schellenberger . . . . . . . bts@wnt.sas.com (work) > > > > Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) > > > > ME --> http://www.babbleon.org > > > > http://www.eff.org <-- GOOD GUYS --> > > > > http://www.programming-freedom.org > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message