From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun Nov 11 22:46:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEC71127E6F for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x432.google.com (mail-wr1-x432.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::432]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22A5D7223B; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:46:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johalun0@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x432.google.com with SMTP id v18-v6so7318219wrt.8; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 14:46:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=H3UyyLjnGojSzTJ3i9DLMeMRhjwDhNJ1x3AHCPezRnU=; b=qxxK2poOULvYWsn5EL0kE+PIQ8WIMBz3rIW8qB930Rz74P0rVGzz/wTahMaPYSlJ0n ALb7O3HcQLikyqu575FQ2yuycz9XeMt7fvzJ2dfB+7ZCiBN/IO4YqnU7PlLuJZVBKkzH 7bASoKR4iNsB3m0etNGdVSI2BciyLJToD6tHlWV0fNalDR1NAEW+cnHEC1uTeRDPL4Az J/CfCr6WynredfRvkRW/B218p9MByVE51xXtkuUIB3E702DiCtNLlVB8h7PYPQqoQVxl 8KQkMq68lns9xshkw9ZpLXlekaXrRbb8hpY9fghrAQOWXHcx4M7C16I7anABCwEozD5p iM0w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=H3UyyLjnGojSzTJ3i9DLMeMRhjwDhNJ1x3AHCPezRnU=; b=DaZTFPbWTD5MKu3RI66bCDWAxsiFPMYaXd6CBy9bbJKB5CnrKDutO04j1OWUXiky8l iaUZKrVvMU/gTcQ/gE83laBT87fuzG0xwIHNeQiGcnla3z5FgbD5U69KuWqmDYw3YGd3 91jIhyHUAt2bXDlX0oM3netqkVSBFBER5OZDG+ek5U5pRutR6e/7cw1JB8UYaZtzm0xk 5Y95JkONLBDTOWelEyX6ThEG/o+NvKQmHk9xOz9aw3www9S7gkh7IXjmSN7ioR1k0k71 vtYJ2OaIunBmpCZ+n1wukxOVaAlA4g4CIXxpJnUlDUaU/K3LL/8ReWOGfrPVVPJMZ6ZO fGjA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJ+LEW17+DAas/w+E509B+R/w9r1+9eC+BKjuCuXDwIVrKVN7/x n8DrAkiWa+P99FIxov6KoMZOM1JGBNIct+C6zOy1aQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5eH3P+r53v9UGVEL2dtATKlr/UmVmesJDfYeXp9TQq0WWOQl7gBvgRP6Kqpk5n2bckAmV082NMcJk3XMGgS3Xo= X-Received: by 2002:adf:9bd6:: with SMTP id e22-v6mr14166341wrc.295.1541976376479; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 14:46:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <188F89D2-16A1-4483-AD38-CD346C1BBE0D.1@aspmx1.migadu.com> <1541958847.1699.1@smtp.migadu.com> In-Reply-To: From: Johannes Lundberg Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:46:05 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Graphics open-source-friendliness, AMD Ryzen vs. Intel To: Allan Jude Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 22A5D7223B X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.80 / 200.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.80)[ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.01), asn: 15169(-1.92), country: US(-0.09)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 22:46:19 -0000 I have an AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (with Vega graphics) and it panics all the time with references to various memory access errors (use after free among other). Ubuntu is also unstable on this machine but Windows 10 works well after a windows update (I had to reinstall the previous motherboard with older cpu to be able to run Windows update without crash...) >From my experience, stay away from this CPU. On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 18:57 Allan Jude wrote: > On 2018-11-11 12:54, Greg V wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Thomas Mueller > > wrote: > >> I may need to buy parts for a new computer because of malfunctions on > >> current motherboard and CPU (Intel Sandy Bridge dating to May 2011). > >> > >> Question is whether I am better off, regarding > >> open-source-friendliness of graphics chips for running Xorg, with AMD > >> Ryzen or the newer Intel chipsets. I know to avoid NVIDIA. > > > > My FreeBSD workstation use an nVidia Quadro K1200 and it works very well > under FreeBSD with the nVidia kernel driver from ports. > > > Both are great for open source friendliness in general. > > > > Onboard Vega GPUs on the Ryzen APUs should work fine on FreeBSD with > > kms-drm 4.16. > > > > If you're looking for high performance though, don't get an APU, get an > > 8-core (R7 2700X/2700/1700X/1700) and a discrete GPU (Radeon RX > > 550/560/570/580 depending on how much you care about graphics > performance). > > > >> I am inclined to run FreeBSD-current and build Xorg from FreeBSD ports. > >> > >> When I boot into UEFI setup, I see the CPU temperature is or quickly > >> goes to 97 C and stays there. > >> > >> I tried replacing the thermal paste and installing a new case fan to > >> replace one that had quit, but CPU temperature still shows and stays > >> at 97 C. > >> > >> Now I have a replacement Arctic Cooler heatsink and fan on order to > >> replace the original Intel heatsink and fan whose connectors were > >> damaged in taking out and struggling to get back in. > >> > >> Currently, I boot into UEFI Setup, but after a couple minutes, the > >> computer powers off and then tries to power back on, then off again a > >> few seconds later, until I end the loop by turning off the power > >> supply switch. I can guess CPU overheating. > > > > Yeah, a new CPU cooler should help. > > > >> I could transplant the current hard drive (Seagate NAS 4 TB) to get a > >> quicker start software-wise. > > > > An SSD might provide a quicker start too ;) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > -- > Allan Jude > >