From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 18 12:27:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C283F16A417 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:27:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from wjv.com (fl-65-40-24-38.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4835913C48D for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:27:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by wjv.com (8.14.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l8IBmuC6097943 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:48:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.14.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l8IBmpTX097942 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:48:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:48:51 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070918114851.GA95132@wjv.com> References: <20070918093418.88FC516A4E7@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070918093418.88FC516A4E7@hub.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com Subject: Re: Compiling with another compiler than gcc - OT reply X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:27:45 -0000 On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 09:34 , freebsd-current-request@freebsd.org exclaimed "Las Cucarachas entran, Pero no pueden salir", and then rambled on saying with: > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:30:06 +0200 > From: Hartmut Brandt > Subject: Re: Compiling with another compiler than gcc. > To: Wilko Bulte > Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Anders Magnusson > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 08:38:35PM +0200, Hartmut Brandt wrote.. > >> Anders Magnusson wrote: [mucho deletia - wjv] > I've wrote an emulator for the KDJ11A (11/73 I think) more than 10 years > ago before I gave my machine to Grog. It runs RSX11M[+], RT11, v[567], > 2.11BSD at light speed :-) It's on people.freebsd.org/~harti. Compiles > 2.11BSD in less than an hour. It's probably easier than to put up your > 11/73 :-) > About pcc: I've a z8000 based computer with a Unix System III on which > uses pcc as the system compiler. It's so buggy that I wonder how the > system even runs. But I suppose these bugs are mostly in the z8000 > backend (no sources to check, though). pcc rang a bell. And was the Z8000 based computer with Unix Sysstem III running on it and Onyx. I had to do so many things to get things to compile correctly. For some reason it or the pre-processor like to sign extend commands even when parity was off, as it would set the parity bit and sign extend 8 bit commands to 16 bit - so instead of returning the correct info from the device which I was querying I would get all sorts of errors on SOME codes I sent. I found the sign extend by noting than only every other character in the ASCII set returned with an error. I got that fixed by masking the data sent or returned - I forget which - and I never had fond memories of that machine. There was no serial communications built it, so I took a Radio Shack Model 4 portable - with an early version of Kermit - running about 40K compiled - and set the transmission to pause 1 second between each line transmitted. That was because the only way to get things in was to use the 4 as a terminal, bring up vi, transfer at the slow rate, exit vi, and them compile kermit. THe next step was to transfer hundreds of update COBOL code into the machine. The only input to that was a 40MB tape and I think when I worked on this the machine was no longer supported. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com