From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 4 18: 7:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0C137B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow053o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B647443F93 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 18:07:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from cream.org ([213.48.109.41]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 5 Feb 2003 02:09:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3E4071F4.7090007@cream.org> Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 02:07:48 +0000 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object References: <200302041944.h14JiSaX076743@grimreaper.grondar.org> <3E406467.8020500@cream.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >Andrew Boothman writes: > > >>When something happens that people perceive to have effected them >>negatively, and they are offered no explanation, the natural reaction >>is to question the legitamacy of the leadership. People need >>information in order for them to rationalise what is happening. >> >> > >Has it occurred to you that there might be no way to offer a fully >satisfactory public answer to your question without causing Matt >significant prejudice, and that core might believe very strongly that >they are doing the *right* thing by not discussing this in public? > Yes it has. I said that if -core can't describe exactly what happened then a statement giving the jist of the problem and their reasons for their actions would be good enough. It's the general secracy surrounding this that I have a problem with. Why should the users have to find out about something like this from someone who happened to examine cvs-all closely enough to realise what was happening? Even the cvs log message was constructed to give no information to a casual reader. I'm not asking for news like this to be put on the front page of the web site or sent to -announce or anything, just a succinct message to -chat or maybe -hackers to put the facts into the public domain. Thats all. Andrew. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message