From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 06:47:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB591065670 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:47:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-157.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-157.bluehost.com [67.222.39.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A574A8FC1D for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:47:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 13955 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2008 06:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 06:47:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=C1X7YrYmDNyxfTcTEIlsnMNN2S0WYaCYKhYGtJxL3nNNjdHTckxQDupGflmnNo5ASHbZUp/K8TJjTVkdr9pu/omz3Q3vY5ZsRT/XEmYnqEOsATTEJ65K2X3EWKYLJxIv; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LC7F3-0007WM-KV for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:47:45 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:47:19 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:47:19 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081215064719.GL5527@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20081212002813.GD32300@kokopelli.hydra> <20081211170011.777236f8@gom.home> <20081212015814.GB32982@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212120437.B3687@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212181258.GE36348@kokopelli.hydra> <20081212203202.H4803@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081212150228.520ad7f8@scorpio> <20081212212931.F5072@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <1229229078.18610.80.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="z9sQuz+HmDh2hVO4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1229229078.18610.80.camel@laptop2.herveybayaustralia.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:47:46 -0000 --z9sQuz+HmDh2hVO4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:31:17PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: >=20 > What I can't equate with is why its acceptable for intel to do the > same... check if_iwi and its "firmware". No other wifi device (that I'm > aware of- at least they'd be in the minority anyway) works this way. The > excuse is fcc regs- I doubt that... Atheros drivers used closed firmware until very recently. Some of them still do. >=20 > And before anyone defends intel: I've spent a lot of time wasted on > making their stupid nics to work in windows, I usually just flick em and > put in a rl nic. The cpus are shit as well- I've had no end of trouble > with them, plus too hot, power hungry etc. Alas, finding a decent > notebook with an alternative has been to no avail... Actually, Pentium M processors may well be the best x86-compatible CPUs of their generation -- low power consumption relative to the competition, and the best performance per dollar in their class. Pentium 4, though, certainly sucks. The first generation of Celeron processors were kick-ass x86-compatible CPUs for their time, too -- actually better than Intel intended them to be. Weird how that happens. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth William Gibson: "The future is already here. It's just not very evenly distributed." --z9sQuz+HmDh2hVO4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklF/XcACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXyEQCeLsJxzy18dRfmMNXrMuLcJjFr /m4Anjt76A0NfhlqNhMR5AEKeg9WJf/W =OfOF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --z9sQuz+HmDh2hVO4--