From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Fri Jun 1 04:38:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B256CFD3CA4 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2018 04:38:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x230.google.com (mail-it0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DD5F754A5; Fri, 1 Jun 2018 04:38:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x230.google.com with SMTP id 76-v6so332726itx.4; Thu, 31 May 2018 21:38:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DQK9qTybS1X8vXTvKX2NoRxERC8WDY8GyiBumqZWzJI=; b=b2tRbJQ1Fm2oyo2aULOn5+q+k/m6eAV6IXWw5gzHZSV6NyM/aaCRk9uhKXy1T9AJNs kd4b2rGhPDFwf+c3gQ0i0T/DtKs1TW17uiS0pHKuIMkol0vetCyZBNuoBQejjF1jv1j3 3pElDWmEqk+HkhRu8oeogzIS2L2DtCxq2DoGsgPtzy4mY5B1tWezc/wSJFVannDVGzVx lSTltzhNO5B9PeX2jUIjSsfgp0aqv2oOxEFa3qu0sFb6C89RYHE1W6vEGYmKeEDSaIwj r//TwD78LwgxupnsHsWSKiqhVAu4T93iHDYeMBAnyeqltUOrMO+BNOv7vrfvxz8YC1+V Kf+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DQK9qTybS1X8vXTvKX2NoRxERC8WDY8GyiBumqZWzJI=; b=g7ecnCLymu/k3luxWVKDjySv1p/LarF7p8lT0XcDZQVfVWJGIutKnWcuXTGQL5O6Fu qIONIva1nYkA5LCNXvHjNNggUEDMzz3EaKhclQewc/v3Md1jg8lJa2ef4AgdV9axG7Hv wmqPdhEFNDz5aNTsU/zE/BDVeGrZa+ivj1o//O28U75tvSYSmbBdxW4bIxcTYRuYsi7E Uh6pLQLojLS8Mo4jK5nBFkMjawjNaSSqr6TU9jQJMokFwM3NBYZvIRKBq4yJIZNdrt4z 2YG0n/sh4xV2NxxD+xgRmQO9oSpVXXKk+uKW0paf2Nw2um/N1ZvX2v/BwlPCXHrcf9Q6 lLNA== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3zmGC+8LKrWFOauMjAGFbRkVcXye7MTsKbCU20Gqu2MIP7DqjI 8/SU5ctJZsUzFG9VP6xgjv/hDlXWgkvnw/QNboA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKLkdcPjhth3FAWD9cRue6vL6ZOIhft/4xY06CKvZEjaNioArmmuhXvs4zBdgN6hu4sTYDTr7vC++y4U22riIlc= X-Received: by 2002:a24:5686:: with SMTP id o128-v6mr2775684itb.10.1527827922618; Thu, 31 May 2018 21:38:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180524160234.GD68014@FreeBSD.org> <201805241610.w4OGAAGY041280@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> <20180530235156.310870d0@thor.intern.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20180531101643.GV3789@kib.kiev.ua> In-Reply-To: From: blubee blubeeme Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 12:38:42 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [RFC] Deprecation and removal of the drm2 driver To: Oliver Pinter Cc: Johannes Lundberg , Konstantin Belousov , Pete Wright , "deischen@freebsd.org" , freebsd-current , "jmaloney@ixsystems.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.26 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 04:38:43 -0000 On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 07:42 Oliver Pinter wrote: > On Friday, June 1, 2018, Pete Wright wrote: > > > > > > > On 05/31/2018 15:34, Oliver Pinter wrote: > > > >> On Thursday, May 31, 2018, Johannes Lundberg > wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 4:34 PM Joe Maloney > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> I personally wish that more drivers, and firmware were separated from > >>>> base. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I'm not a committer > >>> > >> > >> > >>> If you are not a committer, how and why want to remove drm2 from the > >> base > >> system? > >> > > Johannes did not start this threat. A committer, Niclas Zeising, did. > > Johannes has stepped up and done a ton of work (along with many others, > > some committers and some not) to get modern intel and amd GPU's working > > under freebsd. > > > > > True. Yes I agree that their work is hard and it's a very big step forward > for supporting modern hardwares. And it's required modern desktops, but > please don't break the existing ones. Agreed This is my only request, probably it > was expressed in a harsh way, sorry. > > > > > > > > > this was something that was a gaping hole in freebsd when this work > > started a bit over a year ago, and i'm not sure why more committers > weren't > > embarrassed by this gap nor motivated to chip in. > > > > regardless - not sure why you'd take his comment out of context :/ the > > full quote was: > > "I'm not a committer but as I understand there's not pre-commit > > integration tests.. If one had that, plus that it would test build kmod > > ports against the pre-commit state of head as well, then maybe this would > > work." > > > > not really sure what's controversial about that statement which would > > prompt your reply - but i guess people dedicating their spare time to > help > > create useful things for others shouldn't go unpunished. > > > > well i guess i broke my promise to ignore this bikeshed :( > > > > -p > > > > -- > > Pete Wright > > pete@nomadlogic.org > > @nomadlogicLA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >