From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 17 13:54:57 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA07049 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:54:57 -0700 Received: from relay.philips.nl (relay.philips.nl [130.144.65.1]) by freefall.FreeBSD.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA07038 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 13:54:46 -0700 Received: from knox.pcec.philips.com ([130.140.96.243]) by relay.philips.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9-950414) with SMTP id WAA02730; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 22:52:56 +0200 Received: from eis16.philips.com by knox.pcec.philips.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07955; Thu, 17 Aug 95 16:53:42 EDT Received: by eis16.philips.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA24843; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:53:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:53:42 -0400 From: wolperte@knox.pcec.philips.com (ED WOLPERT ) Message-Id: <9508172053.AA24843@eis16.philips.com> To: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu Cc: jiho@sierra.net, freebsd-questions@freefall.FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: (message from Chuck Robey on Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:37:50 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: gnumalloc [Why I'm using Freebsd] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -Chuck> Personally, I think there's very little chance of that -Chuck> happening. If this means that we'll never be as large a group -Chuck> as Windoze users, I can live with that, I've never been all -Chuck> that keen on running with the herd. Have you? As one following the discussion, I had to comment here... (Don't we all? ;-) Ever since Sun decided to go with the sysv approach to UNIX rather than BSD, I've been looking for alternatives. In the Workstation world (HPs, Suns, esv...) SunOS was the best form of UNIX available for the longest time. When the switch to Solaris started, few people relished the idea of going to a broken OS. (For the record, Solaris 2.4 is much better than 2.0, but that's besides the point) The only reason I went to buy a PC was the fact that I couldn't get a decent, supported version of BSD to for the Sun. (NetBSD isn't supported enough for the hardware, sorry.) The nice thing about when Sun was SunOS was the large user base. This was very helpful. Not the 'dumb user' concept seen so much with the PC world, but of sys admins talking to each others. Sun users could even help those using esv's and other UNIX hardware devices. That is a good thing. And yes, it is running with the herd. From a business perspective, it's the right way to do things. (Mac's are better than PC's, but won't change the market since PC's are used by a lot of business'. Since the herd uses PC's, Business' will use them too.) (However, a large business actually spends more money if they put DOS on every ones desk that a UNIX computer due to sys admin... DOS, windows, including Win95 just are not sys admin friendly.) I would like to see a large use base, especially business user base, for freebsd. This will keep BSD alive. Since Sun's decision to switch, that may not happen. If FreeBSD get's stable, (like 4.1.3 SunOS) you may have that market. (Provided more business find sco/bsdi products to use on FreeBSD) Also, a commercial support group, (Like Cygnus to GNU) wouldn't hurt. ->> And since this all started with the memory usage of X and its ->> clients: How many sites do you know of, where the network ->> transparency of X is actually utilized as originally designed? ->> What happened to the X terminal market? The location where I work is planning to go to disk-less workstations... Basically a full X-terminal on each desk. (Or run freebsd on their pc's??? ;-) X terminal market is just starting in the US, but it's big elsewhere (Well, Japan I believe. Great for sysadmins. -- Virtually, Edward Wolpert ------------------------------- wolperte@knox.pcec.philips.com | Valdi: "He's bleeding!" wolpert@utk.edu | Pozzo: "That's a good sign" -S.B. =============================== Nothingness is the worm in the | 'Give me a shell, and I'll heart of being. - Sartre | give you the world.' (tm) ------------------------------- Fnord.