From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 11 21:14:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD33F16A419 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: from mail.cepheid.org (aleph.cepheid.org [72.232.60.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B576213C458 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erik@cepheid.org) Received: by mail.cepheid.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id F28F39B4001; Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:14:28 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:14:28 -0600 From: Erik Osterholm To: Jonathan McKeown Message-ID: <20080211211428.GA50577@aleph.cepheid.org> Mail-Followup-To: Erik Osterholm , Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <47AFC80B.8090303@gmail.com> <20080211211052.X5691@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <47B0AF73.6030901@chuckr.org> <200802112304.09906.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200802112304.09906.jonathan+freebsd-questions@hst.org.za> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: what happened to linuxflashplugin? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:14:29 -0000 On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 11:04:09PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Monday 11 February 2008 22:26, Chuck Robey wrote: > > All you folks who are focussing on YouTube are (purposefully?  I > > don't know) the fact that with just about half of the entire Web > > using flash in one way or antoehr, not using Flash is a huge > > problem, as anyone who browses without a flashplayer knows. > > Just to provide a counterpoint to this sweeping generalisation, I > browse without a Flash player and it's never caused me any problem > at all. Usually I browse with NoScript, which blocks both Javascript and plugins. > There are a few sites which don't work without Flash. Having checked on a > number of occasions, I've found (and I stress this is a personal opinion) > that heavy use of Flash is a fairly reliable marker of a site I wouldn't be > interested in whatever publishing techniques were used. Flash is almost the de facto standard for video in the browser, because most desktop users have it, it doesn't require much in the way of configuration, and you don't have to worry about codecs. Nine times out of ten, if a site I wish to use requires Flash, it's to stream video. The rest of the time, I usually do just fine without it. > In short, I think ``half of the entire Web using Flash'' may be a bit of an > overstatement even if you count Flash ad banners (which frankly I can do > without), and the small number of Flash-only sites I encounter hasn't caused > me temporary inconvenience, never mind ``a huge problem''. Lots of sites use Flash, but most don't /require/ it. > Jonathan Erik