From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 30 09:14:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FAF1065676 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:14:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talon@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8DD8FC1B for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.14.4/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id p7U9DPk9062173 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:13:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Ids: 168 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F1A21C64 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:13:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 1747D4FFD; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:13:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:13:58 +0200 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20110830091358.GA83706@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Miltered: at jchkmail.jussieu.fr with ID 4E5CA9D8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 4E5CA9D8.001/134.157.10.1/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr/ Cc: Subject: Re: Ports system quality X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:14:27 -0000 Chad Perrin wrote: >Of course, your goal is apparently to >convince me that yours are the "correct" priorities. Indeed i think having the correct priorities is essential when choosing between different options, and i am sincerely convinced that my choices are shared by a lot more people than yours. For example, having "less bloat" in the system doesn't even appear in the radar of most people. I value much more that hardware is supported, that installation and upgrade are easy, troubleless. Like everyone else i am irritated by some developments in the Ubuntu experience, for example the parallel booting stuff, which doesn't work well (but that people would like to imitate in FreeBSD), but all those problems remain minor. A few days ago i went to a store to buy a new laptop, i went with two CDROMs, an Ubuntu one and a FreeBSD one. Guess which of the two supported the network controllers in the laptops i tried? -- Michel TALON