From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 3 17:44:16 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EDC106564A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67098FC13 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr16 with SMTP id r16so6842203ghr.13 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.40.17 with SMTP id s17mr20830519anj.54.1325612655013; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j16sm4246100anm.9.2012.01.03.09.44.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 03 Jan 2012 09:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3THjM03QwVz2CG5x for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:44:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:44:12 -0500 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120103124412.71464a58@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <4F031E91.1040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103100608.15f8d2d1@scorpio> <4F031E91.1040602@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 17:44:16 -0000 On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:28:17 +1000 Da Rock articulated: > And it appears to be so alien to you that M$ might possibly not allow > a unified API between closed and open source in _your_ so called free > society, or that what make other systems different _is_ the API, > license, policies, etc. You cannot change a system so fundamentally > without _breaking_ it- *any* system. Have you had any experience in > any of the fields you even claim to be knowledgeable in? I know > university lecturers who aren't so don't even try to hide behind > letter suffixes. Obviously you are having a very difficult time expression yourself in English. I understand that. I can't talk Spanish worth a crap. In any case, attempting to decipher your writings is more time consuming than I plan to allocate myself at this time. In any, Microsoft would have no say in what common API was agreed upon by a coalition of *nix/*BSD developers. I am totally and completely lost at how you even came to that conclusion. While Microsoft does undoubtedly write some drivers, all the the hardware drivers for devices that I have used for probably 10 years that I can document are written by and owned by entities other that Microsoft. If Microsoft actually had control over said drivers as you seem to believe, the EU aka "USSREU" would have attempted to have Microsoft release driver specific information to everyone with their hand out. Even Opera couldn't get the EU to bite on that one. There is no legal problem here. The problem is that it is easier to bitch about something and blame others than to form a consensus and correct the problem. There are all ready people working on it. Somehow though, I get the real impression that if a unified API were to be developed that FreeBSD would be the only one not on-board.