From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 10 12:53:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65AA106568A for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:53:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net) Received: from mail.ispro.net (mail.ispro.net [87.251.0.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9798FC0A for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:53:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net) Received: (qmail 87647 invoked by uid 399); 10 Oct 2008 12:53:55 -0000 Received: from perpetual.yok.utu.fi (HELO ?130.232.138.155?) (yurtesen@ispro.net@130.232.138.155) by mail.ispro.net with ESMTPAM; 10 Oct 2008 12:53:55 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 130.232.138.155 Message-ID: <48EF5052.2000707@ispro.net> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:53:38 +0300 From: Evren Yurtesen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Meyer References: <200810091411.m99EB0Vo007538@lurza.secnetix.de> <20081010023428.87556dt18ejyzf48@mail.ispro.net> <20081009200641.60d0b236@bhuda.mired.org> In-Reply-To: <20081009200641.60d0b236@bhuda.mired.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:56:21 +0000 Cc: Sean Bruno , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Oliver Fromme , Shaun Amott Subject: Re: continuous backup solution for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:53:45 -0000 Mike Meyer wrote: > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:34:28 +0300 > yurtesen@ispro.net wrote: > >> Quoting "Oliver Fromme" : >> >>> These features are readily available right now on FreeBSD. >>> You don't have to code anything. >> Well with 2 downsides, > > Once you actually try and implement these solutions, you'll see that > your "downsides" are largely figments of your imagination. So if it is my imagination, how can I actually convert UFS to ZFS easily? Everybody seems to say that this is easy and that is easy. When you look at this from a single point then you might be right. But next thing in my agenda is to provide restore services to hosting customers. Now when I use a commercial solution like r1soft backup, I can just install the plugin for the control panel software (like cPanel or H-Sphere). If it is imagination and things are so easy, I can give you $500(r1soft pricing) for every 5servers I have, and you can give the same features that r1soft gives, deal? I have no doubt that similar solution can be achieved on FreeBSD. If you sit and think for a second, the problem is the amount of time, resources and knowledge it requires to do the same solution in FreeBSD is way higher than if one was using Linux. > I seriously doubt that it supports things like GMailFS. You are right, my mistake. But it supports the most commonly used Linux filesystems, still better than changing to a brand new filesystem. But sorry for the mistake. Thanks, Evren