From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 7 14:11:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA17092 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:11:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17059 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:11:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04796; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:10:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd004771; Wed Jan 7 15:10:52 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11976; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:10:40 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199801072210.PAA11976@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: X based Free installation To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:10:40 +0000 (GMT) Cc: perlsta@sunyit.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, capriotti@geocities.com In-Reply-To: <199801071233.XAA00279@word.smith.net.au> from "Mike Smith" at Jan 7, 98 11:03:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > One paragraph higlighting the technical (as opposed to practical) > fallacies behind all this crap. > > - VGA hardware is not "on almost any system". Especially as you move > into really serious applications, fewer systems have any display > hardware at all. "FreeBSD Server" > - XFree supports "generic" VGA cards just fine. In addition, there > are perfectly adequate X servers for PC hardware that would let you > use other systems for the bringup. "FreeBSD Workstation" Heh. "FreeBSD CE", anyone? > The *real* problem, as Jordan has pointed out, is that there are far > too many of you willing to crap on at great length about how wonderful > this would be. > > And nobody with the conviction to actually *DO* something about it. Actually, a commercial X server vendor volunteered a free 640x480 X server for FreeBSD to use in this kind of install about a year (maybe more?) ago, and was flatly turned down. Personally, I don't think X is the way to go, unles you can show it as being light weight enough. Have you seen the QNX download? I'd much prefer something like MGR, if graphics must be used (I'm not convinced they are needed; I'm much more likely to say it's an install archtecture, not an install implementation technology, issue). In any case, as I pointed out in my last message of this subject, you can get the same benefits without X -- my Windows 3.1 installer example still stands, I think. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.