From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 28 11:51:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B8316A400; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pjd@garage.freebsd.pl) Received: from mail.garage.freebsd.pl (arm132.internetdsl.tpnet.pl [83.17.198.132]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377E513C4B7; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pjd@garage.freebsd.pl) Received: by mail.garage.freebsd.pl (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 60E4D45696; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:51:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (pjd.wheel.pl [10.0.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.garage.freebsd.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7B345684; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:51:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:50:19 +0100 From: Pawel Jakub Dawidek To: Daniel O'Connor Message-ID: <20070228115018.GA35920@garage.freebsd.pl> References: <200702091903.l19J3Ik5099479@repoman.freebsd.org> <86vehohs7f.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070227205202.GA32651@garage.freebsd.pl> <200702282146.50638.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200702282146.50638.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-PGP-Key-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~pjd/pjd.asc X-OS: FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail.garage.freebsd.pl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 Cc: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav , Brooks Davis , src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/amd64/conf GENERIC src/sys/i386/conf GENERIC src/sys/ia64/conf GENERIC src/sys/pc98/conf GENERIC src/sys/powerpc/conf GENERIC src/sys/sparc64/conf GENERIC src/sys/sun4v/conf GENERIC X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:51:36 -0000 --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:46:42PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Wednesday 28 February 2007 07:22, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: > > Dag-Erling, you're proposing removing it from GENERIC, because ataraid > > doesn't work nicely in the current world order. From what I looked some > > time ago ataraid isn't using GEOM to access components. AFAIR at some > > point ataraid was hidding components. Gmirror/graid3 for example opens > > all components for write+exclusive which prevents such mistakes. > > > > Anyway, if we decide to remove glabel from GENERIC, I'd at least like to > > make the consensus clear - ataraid should be changed to fit better in > > what we currently have. >=20 > I hope changing ataraid doesn't mean removing the ability to access the= =20 > underlying devices that comprise a RAID array. >=20 > Having this ability is quite useful as it allows you to monitor the statu= s of=20 > the subdisks easily (with smartmontools) as well as do things like read t= he=20 > serial numbers (atacontrol cap adX), etc.. You will still be able to access them read-only, but you won't be able to open them for write. > I don't know if you can use smartctl, atacontrol, etc with graid3 as I do= n't=20 > use it. Sure, all components are visible in /dev/, but you can't write to them directly. --=20 Pawel Jakub Dawidek http://www.wheel.pl pjd@FreeBSD.org http://www.FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer Am I Evil? Yes, I Am! --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFF5Wx6ForvXbEpPzQRAoijAJ9b29imXOdq3Jm2+836A8E1W78E6gCg1nA7 My4UYZW793qODBLl4gX7Bk8= =bhxp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE--