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Date:      Wed, 30 May 2001 11:37:14 -0700
From:      ipf=good_product-license_needs_enema@tgd.net
To:        freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Cc:        "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy@veldy.net>, "Valeriy E. Ushakov" <uwe@ptc.spbu.ru>
Subject:   Re: Should IPFilter be pulled from FreeBSD as well
Message-ID:  <20010530113714.E76217@rand.tgd.net>
In-Reply-To: <00c301c0e917$003b74b0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from "veldy@veldy.net" on Wed, May 30, 2001 at = 09:44:15AM
References:  <005e01c0e913$0803a180$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010530183940.A3569@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> <00c301c0e917$003b74b0$3028680a@tgt.com>

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<rant reasion="I've run into the ipf license before">
	I regularly use FreeBSD as the base for products/projects and
am a little erk'ed that ipf resides in the base system with a very
restrictive license that prevents me from using it.  A large number of
clients that I have worked with in the past require the ability to
resell (or own 100%) binary versions of whatever solution I've created
(who-hoo government!).  Cleaning out ipf from the source tree isn't
tough, but it's time consuming and ticks me off.  Base BSD should have
the BSD license, yes?
</rant>

	With that in mind, I'm 200% in favor of moving it to the ports
tree, kernel source hooks and all.  Cleaning out ipf from the source
tree last time wasn't tough, but not my idea of a picnic.

> Nothing in that article has convinced me that FreeBSD developers can
> change the source at their will and distribute it -- according to
> the IPFilter licence.  That right should be implicit in ALL FreeBSD
> system level source code.
> 
> > > It is being pulled from OpenBSD for what seems like a pretty good
> > > reason to me.
> >
> > Please, see this message from Darren to NetBSD's current-users.
> >
> >     http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2001/05/30/0004.html
> >
> > | I have cleared this up with core@netbsd.org and whilst they appear to
> > | be happy that any problems have been resolved, another effort is
> > | required so that core@netbsd.org can convey this to NetBSD users in a
> > | meaningful way.  A similar message will also be sent to the FreeBSD
> > | people as I've also been working with core@freebsd.org to resolve any
> > | issues they had.

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