From owner-freebsd-current Wed Feb 20 18:46:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7158537B400 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 558AB78307; Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:16:38 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:16:38 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Peter Wemm , Matthew Dillon , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Project management (was: Patch sets to date and timing tests with Giant out of userret.) Message-ID: <20020221131638.B65817@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200202190715.g1J7F0158985@apollo.backplane.com> <20020219072228.C27743A9A@overcee.wemm.org> <20020219070403.B151F3A9A@overcee.wemm.org> <200202190715.g1J7F0158985@apollo.backplane.com> <200202190646.g1J6kgE58769@apollo.backplane.com> <20020219070403.B151F3A9A@overcee.wemm.org> <20020221125618.A65817@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20020221023537.GU12136@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020221023537.GU12136@elvis.mu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, 20 February 2002 at 18:35:37 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Greg Lehey [020220 18:26] wrote: >> >> I'm not picking on jhb here. This is the project's fault, not any >> individual's. We need some kind of project management to coordinate >> this effort, or the results will be seriously suboptimal. I would >> certainly not like to see dillon go away because it's too difficult to >> work with the project. > > First with the code complete has it go in. Seems pretty simple > enough doesn't it? Too simple. It's not the "code complete", it's the correct code to implement a part of the overall goal. And we should be working together, not duplicating each other's efforts. > I've had quite enough of people telling others to hold off because > "i'll have the feature any day now", or "that fix is in my local > tree". That's a detail, though admittedly one that needs to be addressed. We have more serious issues. Last Friday I asked for an overall project plan, and I still haven't seen one. Yes, we had some useful discussions, but it's still not enough. If it took Sun 8 years of (relatively) careful project planning to get their SMP up to a reasonable standard, how can we hope to succeed if we don't even decide what we're trying to do? Two years ago I spoke with you on the phone about SMP, and said that I didn't think that the project could cope with such a pervasive change. That's why I was happy when BSD[Ii] dropped both the design and the code into our lap, and we had an SMP project manager (for all of 6 months). Looking back now, we're making the same old mistakes. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message