From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 24 06:54:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A43716A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:54:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.village.org [168.103.84.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1261543D3F for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:54:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by harmony.village.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iAO6qAnt047245; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:52:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20041123.235250.118899687.imp@bsdimp.com> To: cswiger@mac.com From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <41A416E7.4030107@mac.com> References: <200411231343.22760.jhb@FreeBSD.org> <20041124002603.GD20881@squash.dsto.defence.gov.au> <41A416E7.4030107@mac.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: alex.wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au Subject: Re: Transparent bridges (a. k. a. HUB-to-PCI bridges)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 06:54:39 -0000 In message: <41A416E7.4030107@mac.com> Chuck Swiger writes: : > Can you please elaborate on the following .... please ;-\ : > : > 1. PCI bridges : > - Host-PCI : > - PCI-PCI : : A host-PCI bridge is typically part of the "southbridge" chip of modern : motherboards; on Intel motherboards this is also called the ICH chip, such as : the 82801AA/BA/CA/etc. VIA Southbridges include the VT8233/8235/8237/etc. : : A PCI-PCI bridge is commonly found on multifunction PCI cards, an example : would be the DEC 21151 chip found on various four-port NICs. Newer laptops (and other machines) typically have a PCI PCI bridge that all the builtin hardware lives behind. Many, but not all, of these bridges are transparent pci pci bridges, maning they act much like a subtractively decoded bridge. Warner