Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:03:04 -0500 From: "Drew J. Weaver" <drew.weaver@thenap.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Redundancy... Message-ID: <B1A7D9973EBED3119ADD009027DC8649180CBF@mailman.thenap.com>
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This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AC8.1D663C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On a side note, make sure that the ISP that you co-locate has gas powered generators as well as backups protecting your servers, or it wont really do you much good to have it hosted out of some guy's basement =) -Drew -----Original Message----- From: Dave VanAuken [mailto:dave@hawk-systems.com] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 5:56 PM To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Redundancy... Sensitivity: Confidential What I am getting at is the following: obviously if your building is out, none of your employees at the building need access to the servers (they are most certainly our before your servers are out). Thus, what are you concerned about keeping alive during extended outages. All those servers? This may or may not be an option, but segregate the resources that much be live 24x7 (probably not your office client server applications) and co-locate those. Don't bother having a local copy of them since it is probably just as easy to update the content at your co-located site. Then the only thing you keep local is your interoffice lcient server stuff shich if the building goes down, nobody is live to use anyway. Does that track? Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bryan Bunch Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:27 PM To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Redundancy... Sensitivity: Confidential Dave, We would want to co-locate 4-5 boxes (all FreeBSD & 1 NT). One box is a DB server (MySQL) and the others are web servers. We currently are no co-locating. All of our boxes are currently under our roof along with the bandwidth (2 T-1's). As we found out, the biggest point of failure that we have is if there is an extended power outage at our location. Bryan > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Dave VanAuken > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:42 AM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: Redundancy... > Sensitivity: Confidential > > > My question would be what are you wanting to co-locate... If you are > already paying for the colocation, the next questions would be, why > duplicate the servers locally? same administration requirements. > > Would need a better idea of what you would co-locate and what > resources we are talking about to give you a better idea of what sort > of solution you would need (ie: we talking a web site, shared > database, remote login resources...). > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bryan Bunch > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:17 AM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Redundancy... > Sensitivity: Confidential > > > Hello All, > > I have a question on the best way to handle a situation that we > recently had. We had some pretty bad storms come through our city > (Birmingham, AL) and had the power to our offices knocked out for a > little over two days. We have been there for 3 1/2 years and this has > been the only major outage that we have experienced. We have the > standard UPS's that handle just about every power situation that we > have experienced, but obviously this time we were dead in the water. I > know the obvious answer, "get a generator", but the office we are in > that is not currently an option. I was wondering if anyone had any > opinions on what could be set up as far as co-locating some boxes at a > provider that has a generator and somehow putting routes into their > router via BGP that would 'kick in' for us in case we had another > extended power outage. This was just the first thing that popped into > my head, but obviously other people have had to address the same issue > as well. > > Thanks for any advice/thoughts on the matter. > > > Bryan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AC8.1D663C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12"> <TITLE>RE: Redundancy...</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On a side note, make sure that the ISP that you = co-locate has gas powered generators as well as backups protecting your = servers, or it wont really do you much good to have it hosted out of = some guy's basement =3D)</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-Drew</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Dave VanAuken [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:dave@hawk-systems.com">mailto:dave@hawk-systems.com</A>]<= /FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 5:56 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: Redundancy...</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sensitivity: Confidential</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>What I am getting at is the following:</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>obviously if your building is out, none of your = employees at the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>building need access to the servers (they are most = certainly our</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>before your servers are out).</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thus, what are you concerned about keeping alive = during extended</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>outages. All those servers?</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>This may or may not be an option, but segregate the = resources that</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>much be live 24x7 (probably not your office client = server</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>applications) and co-locate those. Don't = bother having a local copy</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>of them since it is probably just as easy to update = the content at</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>your co-located site.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Then the only thing you keep local is your = interoffice lcient server</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>stuff shich if the building goes down, nobody is = live to use anyway.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Does that track?</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dave</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[<A = HREF=3D"mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG">mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@F= reeBSD.ORG</A>]On Behalf Of Bryan Bunch</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:27 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: Redundancy...</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sensitivity: Confidential</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dave,</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>We would want to co-locate 4-5 boxes (all FreeBSD = & 1 NT). One box is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>a DB</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>server (MySQL) and the others are web servers. We = currently are no</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>co-locating.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>All of our boxes are currently under our roof along = with the bandwidth</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(2</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>T-1's). As we found out, the biggest point of = failure that we have is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>if there</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>is an extended power outage at our location.</FONT> </P> <BR> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bryan</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG">mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@F= reeBSD.ORG</A>]On Behalf Of Dave VanAuken</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:42 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: RE: Redundancy...</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sensitivity: Confidential</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> My question would be what are you wanting to = co-locate... If you</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>are</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> already paying for the colocation, the next = questions would be, why</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> duplicate the servers locally? same = administration requirements.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Would need a better idea of what you would = co-locate and what</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> resources we are talking about to give you a = better idea of what</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>sort</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> of solution you would need (ie: we talking a = web site, shared</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> database, remote login resources...).</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Dave</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG">mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@F= reeBSD.ORG</A>]On Behalf Of Bryan Bunch</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:17 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: Redundancy...</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sensitivity: Confidential</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Hello All,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I have a question on the best way to handle a = situation that we</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> recently had. We had some pretty bad storms = come through our city</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> (Birmingham, AL) and had the power to our = offices knocked out for a</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> little over two days. We have been there for 3 = 1/2 years and this</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>has</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> been the only major outage that we have = experienced. We have the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> standard UPS's that handle just about every = power situation that we</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> have experienced, but obviously this time we = were dead in the water.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> know the obvious answer, "get a = generator", but the office we are in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> that is not currently an option. I was = wondering if anyone had any</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> opinions on what could be set up as far as = co-locating some boxes at</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>a</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> provider that has a generator and somehow = putting routes into their</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> router via BGP that would 'kick in' for us in = case we had another</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> extended power outage. This was just the first = thing that popped</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>into</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> my head, but obviously other people have had to = address the same</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>issue</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> as well.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Thanks for any advice/thoughts on the = matter.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Bryan</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the = body of the message</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the = body of the message</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT> </P> <BR> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body = of the message</FONT> </P> <BR> <BR> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body = of the message</FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09AC8.1D663C70-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message
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