From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 17:31:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB733106564A for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:31:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7738FC14 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 17:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so17196784obb.13 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:31:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=WKxPLjdfjwyYTDAKa2kKp0A9AwJ3kpdpTi5qWMMsgY0=; b=yiVP5os21GSlRUVm2B1S5FHZFAZB4NnzgSHNFl5qE+fIFSzXZQ/OsVbg2H5DJdKpmL nQmO2CHva0+C/AMZaYYNa/YT/wHoLl7oFYIvWHgtiAD+kkj1MNdW0hk/tbf4N8TTf+Zw Pc8sSDpzFwSCyvS8i3pw4xKgPtI5m9jHiHm4/NGyzFEzv9GJ+Wd/te2rzhvW+W/7pC78 VvPQKogNVPhIYR49p8jTkUeXR+KbxoigvitcOCdrQhR5RGirhkQMGEjQHiNtCirRO2FP DrJub190kzu75oqV1NNPothB1dHNfFTW4sllrKWXjfM01JDDaHplv9o9GSi/mirPX3e+ gfkA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.2.99 with SMTP id 3mr27573557oet.20.1341509477853; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.84.7 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:31:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <4FF5BF27.2030609@my.gd> <4FF5C48C.9030106@my.gd> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:31:17 -0700 Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: Warner Losh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 17:31:18 -0000 On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > >> >> On 7/5/12 6:38 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>> inexperienced users. >>>> >>>> Having to enable it manually defeats its very purpose. >>> >>> so is FreeBSD future direction to be moron-OS just like linux is now, or >>> is that just another stupid idea on that forum that came and... will pass? >>> >>> Quite important. There are still people that want normal OS. >> >> >> Just because you don't like the idea doesn't make it stupid, and just >> because it comes from linux doesn't make it bad. > > Both true. However, if the database lookups took a long time, or had a high overhead to maintain, then it would be stupid to have on by default. Here's a *random* thought to consider. This seems like a feature that FreeNAS/PC-BSD/etc (Linux/Windows/other OS convert) type thing might want -- so maybe the feature should exist (but be off) in FreeBSD and exist (and be on) in custom FreeBSD distros where users aren't necessarily expected to know FreeBSD. -Garrett