From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 22 15:42:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410C82B7F1E for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:42:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 496l7k1BZpz4PlP for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:42:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=rcn.com; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@rcn.com; t=1587570176; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=/oUoYlQ7MpowAq92K45Fwvagk2c=; b=sAOPTSvz4ocBQ+jj70I0dRF4VYtuKQ4iORo13FQk8kfV8QUlkOzFhZjwp+86mRyL 2b9hCFq9v18P/oFVZ1xWfysT6268lnHy5qhfa51BBzqWDRWP5r3/guYybTf7H1sQ +Py+/C9So/Inw2EcGTFmSIQqqaqBxeEVsmKBO4mR/Mq280z4pzRdrvjtXINqxbAM ETLx4XpOKrHA/EvVVtRA6LXxJnvDBfdhtmoiUNK3x8jupDXUlbo+C2lGxiiRc5Zl EdpJ6zVy9oEbZapRqQ5xRMF7OM2qHAmQoMw7kGf3cmXQw4+HybioeKijO1ZvpfQt OQBdDC0ly1ZJwk4Xw7NxQQ==; X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Z5uS40ZA c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=cl8xLZFz6L8A:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=mm8AfJLWCTzSKdhgm_oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:65061] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id 7E/BE-10869-00660AE5; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:42:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24224.26111.448437.531092@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:42:55 -0400 From: Robert Huff To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: Robert Huff , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wayland on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20200422124356.5329c504e03524a59b536cc6@sohara.org> References: <5058973.kMyvyFPq5o@amos> <20200421150741.28dd6309.freebsd@edvax.de> <24223.11679.688616.192643@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20200422023243.GA81187@neutralgood.org> <20200422070028.30dd2fb16ccae9b6d9cde901@sohara.org> <24224.11002.960241.607629@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20200422124356.5329c504e03524a59b536cc6@sohara.org> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 26.3 (amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 496l7k1BZpz4PlP X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=rcn.com header.s=20180516 header.b=sAOPTSvz; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=rcn.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of roberthuff@rcn.com designates 69.168.97.78 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=roberthuff@rcn.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.62 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rcn.com:s=20180516]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:69.168.97.0/24]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-1.52)[ip: (-9.00), ipnet: 69.168.97.0/24(0.71), asn: 36271(0.74), country: US(-0.05)]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[rcn.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rcn.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rcn.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[78.97.168.69.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36271, ipnet:69.168.97.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[78.97.168.69.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:42:59 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith writes: > > Am I not understanding. or does that sound slow and full of > > possible failure modes? > > It does to me, but I know little to nothing of the innermost > details. I've looked into Wayland a few times in fair detail and > have yet to see a benefit. I know X is decried as a security horror > story, yet active exploits seem curiously rare and it has always > worked well for me. I generally hear three main criticisms: 1) Full of known/possible exploits and security holes 2) Based on 1980s concepts and hardware (which affects what code is written and how) 3) "It just grew." (Which contributes to (1).) Respectfully, Robert Huff