From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 22 03:14:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CA61065674 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:14:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB888FC14 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so856814pbb.13 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:14:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=T6a1FPxXePu18rfydBB4ZUvxDWc+gyy9Z1fktgtGm8o=; b=kvZHLTo06O7S99mOEbiAbVmRk3PUCFGWjGGo9xqUWo0pCixSSnky7oTTy8qrV4gAO0 slHkOECbCbx9sLGpOzHKHmXEm49fEVFm6x3P7AR6WjtlAGonoFR7ME/5+2MKuy5bH7to KvcREZsjNHsznWy2FFvy7ef7B4zXKW12Ok2HNEAkc9r0JUJOtrDlfFN6s2azVNUCG8u1 t95foK9ZQ3xDiBjX9PLJUE9jIBZe0n2JCkR6wARzJX1GAxJUE72PbALwNRle/00A6I8S t26VE9ULTbP5xEE9Q64f4jiQM/GXhX1Amyl+uOo0+PAe8HSNkDUMhqlzxgklH4njzkLY 7bew== Received: by 10.68.216.104 with SMTP id op8mr49125085pbc.65.1345605242161; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.63] (50-78-194-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.78.194.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oj8sm2710409pbb.54.2012.08.21.20.14.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <20120821221543.GV98910@zxy.spb.ru> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:13:58 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120821095527.GA33206@hell.ukr.net> <67977762.20120821154035@serebryakov.spb.ru> <1243982625.20120821154548@serebryakov.spb.ru> <20120821124623.GC88729@zxy.spb.ru> <9481DE65-1249-4EE1-96E0-222ADD46B2E6@bsdimp.com> <20120821221543.GV98910@zxy.spb.ru> To: Slawa Olhovchenkov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmaePKdT14NAtcA7wAO+ZC9sdBgUMoiBzaPvg1tHnCC9dI//xHj1gEoj0b/hGlHUmn8xTxG Cc: Garrett Cooper , Lev Serebryakov , current@freebsd.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: r239356: does it mean, that synchronous dhcp and dhcplcinet with disabled devd gone? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:14:03 -0000 On Aug 21, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 01:56:11PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >>=20 >>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 03:45:48PM +0400, Lev Serebryakov wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Hello, Lev. >>>> You wrote 21 =C1=D7=C7=D5=D3=D4=C1 2012 =C7., 15:40:35: >>>>=20 >>>> GC>> Try reverting r239356 -- if that works, then please let jhb@ = know. >>>> LS> I'm confused by this commit, because it seems (from comment = alone), >>>> LS> that dhclient will not work without devd anymore (with = "synchronous >>>> LS> dhcp" option in rc.conf). >>>> LS> Am I right? >>>> Also, I don't like idea of removing IP address from interface = when >>>> cable is unplugged. It was very disturbing behavior of Windows >>>> machines for years. I've unplug cable to change switch port for = only a >>>> second and all connections are broken, even if one second later >>>> dhcpclient receive SAME lease! I don't like this. FreeBSD was very >>>> tolerant to unplugging cable for eons, and I (and not only me) like >>>> it. If I understand this change properly, it is no more the case :( >>>=20 >>> Not only cable. >>> Turn on microwave, lost WiFi connection and lost all open ssh >>> session (and other network connection). >>=20 >> mosh helps. >=20 > No. Not all remote host allow to install mosh. > Cisco routers, for example, don't allow to install mosh. Yes. Mosh helps. You can mosh to a different host, then do what you = need to do to get to the cisco. Does mosh solve the problem in all cases, no. It just helps. Warner=