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Date:      Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:45:55 -0500 (EST)
From:      Peter Dufault <dufault@hda.hda.com>
To:        Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>
Cc:        mobile@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Disk I/O problem in 4.3-BETA
Message-ID:  <200103131245.f2DCjuB22590@hda.hda.com>
In-Reply-To: <20010313035755.S29888@fw.wintelcom.net> from Alfred Perlstein at "Mar 13, 2001 03:57:55 am"

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> * Pete French <pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk> [010313 03:51] wrote:
> > All very interesting, but a small point has been forgotten
> > hasnt it ? The way I read this thread is that until recentlly
> > write-caching was enabled by default and has now been disabled (hence
> > the original obseravtion of disc performance dropping).
> > 
> > I havent noticed that FreeBSD has a bad reputation for loss of data
> > in the event of am power outage, and my own experience backs this up.
> > As so many people appear to have been running it this way by default until
> > now you might have though that if it were a serious problem in reality then
> > people would have noticed by now ?
> 
> Your optimism is appreciated, however just because you can't see
> the approaching hordes doesn't mean they're not at the gates.
> 
> To be true to our users, we need to either:
> 
> 1) turn off write caching.
> 2) propogate bwrite() intention down to the device layer.

I haven't been following this too closely, but if "2)" means use
ordering commands to the drive firmware to ensure block ordering
you need a warning about using an UPS and being nervous about disk
firmware revs.

I think write cache enable with an UPS and SCSI drives that grew
up in a workstation environment is safe, now with either mass-market
drives or counting on block ordering firmware working properly I
get nervous too, and with soft updates reducing the disk overhead
maybe it just isn't worth it.

Peter

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Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com)   Realtime development, Machine control,
HD Associates, Inc.               Fail-Safe systems, Agency approval

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