From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 20 19:46:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166EF106566B for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:46:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjhjr0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E7C8FC19 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:46:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so2310830ywh.13 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:46:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=sezMIOrleAyViw7VfSLd5wVPlS9bT0vnXCSAmPZLiaU=; b=K4Z/7QRgyy/CNWflmPh8oNDJH7VzokB7aLQv6GlXMvTq6eW8YtAkIA0iATgLQdUO0b uWWv0wL1LaPsvXzArifGJs0hfUtTZwuAcXbsUTQRO8BOBpUQQt9d1iRSwCasY7JG0Ert nzOi4IVVoxz7+/xIieJk8MBOwq3zVQab6/ASU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=URSYHRYHoVl1OcPk/GTpZtoJ+HOIh/E7ynn4ZFmJt4xPLydzf+q5JByXQ1M129rcZS g/g+3egR1AxtIALN6pFwnGWprJGAxPfeOF7yYkpb2sGbra6aIp6Yz2nO+OmOiI+f0LYz vlTILbdwo604zg8nFRwokE9kyfndxS5Xts1bg= Received: by 10.151.48.13 with SMTP id a13mr1880650ybk.55.1287603969807; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ip98-163-115-74.dc.dc.cox.net [98.163.115.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p30sm1551276ybk.20.2010.10.20.12.46.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:46:06 -0400 From: Bob Hall To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20101020194605.GA78565@stainmore> Mail-Followup-To: Bob Hall , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> <20101020022946.GA23035@thought.org> <20101020052601.GA1977@current.Sisis.de> <4cbe9e9a.3qT7q8JUqJxSD8/V%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101020165526.GA25310@thought.org> <4CBF21EB.1080003@tundraware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4CBF21EB.1080003@tundraware.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:46:11 -0000 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > >> Matthias Apitz wrote: > >>> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: > >>>> PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX > >>>> 780 days :-) > >>> I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 around 1982, I think. > >> > >> Gotcha beat :) UNIX V6, PDP-11/34, RK05 disk cartridge, 1975. > >> The whole runtime fit on one RK05. The sources took a second one. > > > > I remember the 11/34 fondly. The whole EE department at Cory > > Hall was running one one; then when I interned at Livermore my > > job of porting the "Portable F77 Compiler" was done with vi and > > the source code that Stu Feldman wrote. I love[d] those bloody > > old computers, :-) Dunno why. Maybe because they really > > *were* about computing. Not streaming [[whatever]] or having > > php running. (Blah^9^9^9) > > > > :) > > Heck, when I started out, they didn't even have zeros and ones yet. > We had to settle for "o"s and "l"s ... When I started out, we didn't have read/write heads for the hard disks. We had to copy the data from the screen to the disk by hand using magnetized sewing needles. In order to read the damn things we had to pass a compass over the disk and see where the needle deflected.