From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 12 17:00:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3ABE74B for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8895BB39 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id va2so698924obc.23 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:00:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=yGeRHdgoJwP3dpD10velQuXIaUEmExY9uBxtO7wd4Oc=; b=lUO3hvHmTdoYTkjwV+tp0pTf1y+eOoNqamPY/Gt2CvxVjOjJUFOhT+vJ3EQsRGCtie tZT93/4LYLPHVlAXmw3QApWAUO61tJgf6WdB7gdrzPhoFh6baOmJAWJ5nnKyo+vhra+n 6iwjmeioAzr2URm4VB/C/GaDk3MeLXytokRLdio+St9+BMwSHvi80Oy6K5BpszYpBhNY dKOV2zLgssoY4DNBRK6/81Qfyn/h77s5j6V3Fbd9XRZqQj079PBx7oIROv+d4qLBBs9C 0U50mnK9tuKgewWyIc4wigotIx5RaRpR/G79Fl3n4CiRk8QBADVNFkBAMNT3DuRjsnXG lt0g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQletjpAf3gl3CarcwzotzOCF0rURnRf6hUWzB3UGu3mJpYPyLrb5xfiqL/jQVJzRHHKOUAh MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.175.228 with SMTP id cd4mr1798824oec.83.1410522663172; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 04:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.120.37 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 04:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.120.37 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 04:51:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <541093BB.5030808@comcast.net> <20140910215721.7731e99a.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 07:51:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Request for buildworld clarification From: Michael Sierchio To: Adam Vande More Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions , Dave Babb X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:00:14 -0000 On Sep 10, 2014 11:42 PM, "Adam Vande More" wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 12:08:59 -0600, Dave Babb wrote: > > > Good Afternoon All, > > > > > > > > > I am requesting a clarification on make buildworld. I am junior with > > > FreeBSD (< 8 months)...and I am getting confused with Gentoo's > > > definition of build world, and FreeBSD's. > > > > FreeBSD, unlike Linux, is separated in "the operating system" > > (consisting of "world" and "kernel"), and "everything else", > > which is what the ports collection contains (ports, packages > > and the like). > > > This is the right definition. To put it in a real world context, go on a > test linux system and delete every package. Try to recover. Now do the > same on a test FreeBSD system. After you have done this, you will > understand the advantages of separating the OS and applications. I agree, but there are packages in the base system that are not managed as packages. Even though there is general consensus that these are part of a "minimal" install, they should be in the pkg db to facilitate clean removal or replacement. In the past, sendmail and bind fit into this category. - M