From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 03:28:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D67236DA8E for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:28:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCZRg0THGz4YXT for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=HIsq10g6UrYLMCMofOf4eGwuHyuP8BRbolfggGpq16g=; b=gX1FFWryi5E+ThNYmb6x6/dAWM tK0rbTF2J+cXyXbktltvThzC4cxulzpjYICjXzO7t96e3MYArrkaOKQCbf+hIAj4ssx56mDmTriHH /xBLQcdwFundEdw25A3gHj2MLEZd/q5U7DAaxY1Z8eJSrKPWLqxL3ZabPj7HMhRrL+yo=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jyoO0-000G22-2F for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:28:40 +0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:28:40 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9amGYk9869ThD9tj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCZRg0THGz4YXT X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=gX1FFWry; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.040]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.006]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.28)[-0.276]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:28:48 -0000 --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Victor Sudakov wrote: >=20 > Not to start a flame war. A purely technical question: what > technological advantages does the modern FreeBSD have over modern Linux? After gaining more experience using Debian systems for several months, I've come across several technological disadvantages of FreeBSD as a server (in no particular order): 1. Debian can run several versions of PHP, PostgreSQL and some other software simultaneously (without manual efforts with jails, chroots etc needed in FreeBSD for the same purpose). Just install the relevant packages, very convenient. 2. FreeBSD instances on AWS do not detect added EBS volumes, a reboot is required. 3. FreeBSD lacks a native docker (what prevents from fixing sysutils/docker-freebsd?). FreeBSD already has a working Linux binary compatibility, why can't we run Linux docker? A working docker could also make problems with different versions of native PHP irrelevant. 4. Zabbix templates for monitoring FreeBSD are inferior to those for Linux. 5. Zabbix agent2 (new generation of Zabbix agent) is not available for FreeBSD. 6. FreeBSD/ARM64 does not enjoy binary upgrades (freebsd-update). True, some of those disadvantages are fixable, but now the impression is that FreeBSD is lagging behind. The only real advantage left could be Root-on-ZFS and BE/bectl, but ironically it does not work in AWS (and with UEFI boot in general) which makes it=20 7. Limited UEFI support. 8. bhyve is still inferior to kvm in many aspects (ever needed to add a virtual disk to a running guest?). --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfGlVoAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY06BMH/1ZWTQ6HCXpM23DhakmP8j4M /UfjDOEGNlFySQ+lB8T6jB+auDWEa+rMnWjTivNLV1m4s/tp062OfJSQOcXK8FKg M6XM0bvm257hojXoC59u3SDQxl490wUySxci0nTAWx5OfD5rO7BeKDixHpBsK2bi bh0yrdp2lKY2IOHb/EhbbIsWDQBUSnPJl3XDfEMHSey2kyRKgTKUgUcyizhpnlU7 hgjeEJKH0OU320/su3H4F3LNgFVt/Yv8x6iXGjJFA/UR6EW/m8Jc28XQ6t8FKTOf S5c7viftoKyWoUnMgV8UMf0GExoWdSTXHxocba1pUnw5Wsn+fGooQk7Yl3+5Gf4= =A9Cu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj--