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Date:      Tue, 9 Jan 2001 09:16:47 GMT
From:      Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net>
To:        Kenneth Culver <culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu>, Lanny Baron <lnb@panda.FreeBSDsystems.COM>, Debbie Machado <ldmservices@charter.net>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: get married (was Re: In case I don't see yah:  Good afternoon,
Message-ID:  <E14Futb-0000Rz-00@post.mail.nl.demon.net>

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God is open-sourced ?
Do what you like to the source, just maintain the copyright notice..roflmao.
Now talking about freebsd.. where were we ?

Cliff

> lol, :-P
> 
> 
> =================================================================
> | Kenneth Culver              | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade.   |
> | Unix Systems Administrator  | ICQ #: 24767726                 |
> | and student at The          | AIM: muythaibxr                 |
> | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction)   |
> | College Park.	              | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/|
> =================================================================
> 
> On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Lanny Baron wrote:
> 
> > Hey,
> > Can you two go get married and fight like normal people? It's more fun throwing
plates,
glasses, irons..you know. 
> > 
> > Have a great day and MAKE a better tomorrow. :-)
> > 
> > --Lanny 
> > On Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 10:34:40PM -0500, Kenneth Culver wrote:
> > > whatever you say.... you insulted ME on a very large mailing list... I
> > > didn't think it was funny. Stop looking down your nose at me long enough
> > > to realize that you have just turned away several thousands of people from
> > > ever becoming christian...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > =================================================================
> > > | Kenneth Culver              | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade.   |
> > > | Unix Systems Administrator  | ICQ #: 24767726                 |
> > > | and student at The          | AIM: muythaibxr                 |
> > > | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction)   |
> > > | College Park.	              | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/|
> > > =================================================================
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Debbie Machado wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hey Ken, I told everybody here that after the holidays you would be so bored
> > > > you would be back at it when you returned from the holidays on Monday.  I
> > > > just peaked in to see if I was right.  Somehow, I always seem to upset
> > > > Christians more then atheists.  "A Christian like me", hey? I must ruffle
> > > > your feathers.  Get a bigger rule book, maybe I will fit into that one.  Oh
> > > > well, before I shut you out again, I thought I would send you a Christian
> > > > joke. It's God putting hot sauce on his pizza.  Oh yea, before I forget Ken,
> > > > Christians do like to cut up, and that's all I was doing; I was giving it
> > > > right back to them after they had given it to me. I guess you didn't read
> > > > what was said to me or else you wouldn't have thought I told them they suck
> > > > for disagreeing with me.  They sucked for another reason - and I didn't take
> > > > what they said to me serious or personally and they didn't take what I said
> > > > personal.  There was only one person I wrote to that I really struck a nerve
> > > > with, and he knows who he is, and hopefully he will walk into a Christian
> > > > church that doesn't judge him because he is searching. Christians do joke,
> > > > and argue, and cutup, and smoke pot, and judge, and deny other Christians.
> > > > If you think I could insult someone like Jeremiah or anyone else over
> > > > there - believe me - I don't have that kind of power in my cut-up. They are
> > > > not insulted by me, they could give a sh_t less about me or what I believe.
> > > > So, if it is your gain to agree with them by disagreeing with me in hopes to
> > > > find a common ground with them - re-read your Bible.  Besides that, it's
> > > > fake, and they can smell it. You are not going to win any souls that way,
> > > > but you might keep your admin job if you get along with everyone.  If your
> > > > the type of "good" Christian you claim to be, then under YOUR biblical rules
> > > > they are YOUR enemy, not mine, and YOUR kissing YOUR own enemies ass.  I
> > > > cussed, good Christians don't cuss - right - wrong! No ones my enemy, not
> > > > you, not them, because there isn't a you and them, there is only an US.  Be
> > > > yourself.  And, He will work through you, we can't do anything ourselves -
> > > > good behavior or bad behavior.  I was cutting up and that is not shameful,
> > > > denying "one of God's", may be. You didn't say a person like me, you said
> > > > people like me. Meaning, you've run into more then one Christian like me and
> > > > have denied them too. But, I am not the judger. Ken, have you been praying
> > > > before writing or reading these? Because you missed the big one. There was
> > > > ONE person out there that wrote who needed to hear something  - and he
> > > > needed to hear it my way, not your way, and he did!  And none of us has
> > > > heard from him since, because he's thinking about what was said to him. I
> > > > was though then, and shut it down, what is keeping you here? Maybe, there is
> > > > something you need to hear also - so I will go on.  I WILL NOT CHANGE MYSELF
> > > > UNLESS HE CHANGES ME.  As long as I can hear His voice and see His works in
> > > > front of me, I WILL stop to talk to anyone about whatever they want and in
> > > > any direction they want to take it, and in their vocabulary.  "A Christian
> > > > like me", - right Ken, you probably think there are bad Christians and good
> > > > Christians.  Most of us radically saved Christians would not be here if we
> > > > thought all Christians where like you and we had to live up to certain
> > > > standards. I heard the Word through another type of Christian, so don't be
> > > > too judgmental on what are Christian examples, ect.  I don't set any
> > > > examples! I can't do anything! I can only be what He has made me to be, and
> > > > if you judge that - you judge His works. You claim to have a certain
> > > > standard and criticize others who do not live up to it, when you did to me,
> > > > what you accused me of doing to them.  Are you listening?  Can I recommend a
> > > > book: "Christian Burnout", maybe that will help you in your turmoil about
> > > > getting so upset and bothered by Christians like me.  For me, seriously,
> > > > here is how I see it: If only I could love, like Christ loves me, then I
> > > > would be patient with Christians like you. Some Christians think that the
> > > > apostles where told not to eat meat because the ones around them where
> > > > "baby" Christians.  You know the verse and the term.  I have been eating
> > > > meat around you, and that is my sin; not what I did, but that it offended
> > > > you not anyone else.  I fall way short of being Christ like. What did Paul
> > > > say: why do I keep doing the things that tempt me, when I struggle so not
> > > > to?  Or doubting Thomas, or how about the one who betrayed Christ? I guess
> > > > they are all sinning Christians like me, so what do they know anyhow?  In
> > > > Him, - Debbie     P.S. Ken, all we did was take a step, we just got on the
> > > > boat with the rest of the saved - anything we've done since that day or
> > > > after that day, means nothing to God.  The only reason He has anything to do
> > > > with us, is because of Christ's blood, not our good deeds, behavior, or
> > > > personality.  God doesn't play brownie point games, nor does he distinguish
> > > > good Christians, true Christians, from bad Christians or little sin from big
> > > > sin, that is man's world.  What you REALLY don't like Ken, is that I will be
> > > > there by your side, we will meet; it's your atheist buddies, who you are
> > > > apologizing to for MY behavior, who will not be there with you!  Until
> > > > then...
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kenneth Culver [mailto:culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu]
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:26 AM
> > > > To: Jeremiah Gowdy
> > > > Cc: Debbie Machado; <jgouwdy@home.com>; greid@ukug.uk.freebds.org
> > > > Subject: Re: LOL
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > No problem... I'm tired of people getting turned away from christianity
> > > > because of people like this person.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > =================================================================
> > > > | Kenneth Culver              | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade.   |
> > > > | Unix Systems Administrator  | ICQ #: 24767726                 |
> > > > | and student at The          | AIM: muythaibxr                 |
> > > > | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction)   |
> > > > | College Park.	              | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/|
> > > > =================================================================
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > /*
> > > > >
> > > > > As a fellow christian, I'm embarrased that people like you exist. Since
> > > > when
> > > > > do christians tell others that they suck just because they have a
> > > > > disagreement. You made a false conclusion that yahoo was against
> > > > > christianity, and all that mailed you back told you that. I myself just
> > > > > personally went to the yahoo site, and some of those cards look plenty
> > > > > christian to me.... Jesus and all... I really don't know what you're
> > > > talking
> > > > > about, and truthfully, I don't think you have any right mailing a list
> > > > that
> > > > > is there so that people can get help using FreeBSD with your assumption
> > > > that
> > > > > everyone on the list is christian. Frankly, I'm annoyed because it's
> > > > > christians like you that turn away non-christians.
> > > > > */
> > > > >
> > > > > See, Christmas is truly a time when brothers of all faith (or lack
> > > > thereof)
> > > > > can come together and feel like part of a community, and that community as
> > > > a
> > > > > whole can tell someone how stupid they're acting (read: acting stupid !=
> > > > you
> > > > > are stupid).  :)
> > > > >
> > > > > I am most definitely turned away. lol
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for being the true Christian here Ken, and speaking up.  I used to
> > > > be
> > > > > a Christian myself, until for personal reasons, I went a different path.
> > > > > But I know what it is to be a Christian and how to speak to other
> > > > > non-Christians while being respectful of them and their beliefs.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > -- 
> > -------------------------------------
> > Lanny Baron
> > Proud to be 100% FreeBSD
> > FreeBSD Systems, Inc; Freedom Technologies Corp.
> > http://www.FreeBSDsystems.COM
> > 1.877.963.1900
> > 
> > 
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