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( [70.21.165.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 38sm11216692wrl.14.2008.01.06.21.08.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:08:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" To: Nathan Lay In-Reply-To: <47817EE8.2050302@comcast.net> References: <542798610801060556h28d300f2n4fdcf21d83d2213f@mail.gmail.com> <47813D8E.9080603@fsck.ch> <542798610801061326o63f731d5o32bef2eb2624f85e@mail.gmail.com> <20080106222040.GB67243@tirith.brixandersen.dk> <542798610801061458m2a878a9dj2d33065de3642236@mail.gmail.com> <1199667145.899.39.camel@RabbitsDen> <47817EE8.2050302@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:06:46 -0500 Message-Id: <1199682406.718.6.camel@RabbitsDen> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable , Johannes Dieterich Subject: Re: overheating Thinkpad X60s with 7.0-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 05:08:04 -0000 On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 20:22 -0500, Nathan Lay wrote: > Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 23:58 +0100, Johannes Dieterich wrote: > > > >> On 1/6/08, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > >> > >>> On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:26:48PM +0100, Johannes Dieterich wrote: > >>> > >>>> X and T series of the thinkpads are rather different, even the cores are > >>>> completely different (I have a dualcore low-voltage version, I assume > >>>> yours is running on a dual Pentium m, or?). > >>>> > >>> FWIW, I haven't seen any temperature related issues on my ThinkPad > >>> X60s, which has been tracking -CURRENT for the last year or so. > >>> > >>> It too has had the IPW3945 replaced by an Atheros wireless card, but > >>> it is still using the original HDD. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> Can the HDD change already cause such a thing? Besides that: I have not > >> configured anything myself concerning ACPI. Anyone any idea what/where/how > >> to check? I DO think that the fan is working. I can hear it (and it does not > >> sound ill) and it also shows in > >> > >> $ sysctl dev.acpi_ibm > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 1443 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 9 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 0 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 4071 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 > >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 62 61 -1 58 43 -1 40 -1 > >> > >> Now not being touched at all for an hour and just idling around. Besides it > >> did work under 6.2 without problems, would be a crazy coincident if right > >> with the update the fan broke. > >> > >> Any idea anyone? :S > >> > > > > First -- the disclaimer -- mine is X60 (not X60s), but with 1.83GHz > > 32-bit CPU, so it should be somewhat similar to yours. At the moment it > > has USB drivers loaded, which tends to bump CPU utilization and > > temperature. It has UltraBase attached and is sitting on top of the > > aluminum passive cooler pad. > > > > It was bought originally with the Atheros card and 100GB drive and 1GB > > of memory was added later to the total of 2GB. > > > > System is -CURRENT as of January 5th 18:00 EST. This laptop was tracking > > -CURRENT pretty close since I have acquired it 15 month ago. It does > > buildwords with -j5 at least weekly. > > > > At the moment, I am writing this E-mail and playing some music, using > > Amarok. It is on the wired network ATM, but I do not recall any thermal > > problems while using wireless connection. > > > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 133 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 7 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 1 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 2874 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 62 52 -1 61 39 -1 37 -1 > > RabbitsDen# sysctl -a | grep temperature > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 62.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.temperature: 62.0C > > dev.cpu.0.temperature: 63 // You need coretemp.ko loaded > > dev.cpu.1.temperature: 63 // to get these values. > > RabbitsDen# > > > > I does look shade cooler then yours, and fan is running at the lower > > speed. > > > > I will try to list things that I do/have done, and you can compare them > > to your setup: > > -- BIOS is updated to the latest level (I do keep XP partition for this > > specific purpose). > > -- I run powerd: > > powerd_enable="YES" > > powerd_flags="-a adaptive -b adaptive -i 75 -r 65" > > -- I set hw.pci.do_power_nodriver="3" in /boot/loader.conf > > -- I run GNOME (please, no religious wars here) > > -- I set low CPU state to C2 in rc.conf > > performance_cx_lowest="C2" # Online CPU idle state > > economy_cx_lowest="C2" # Offline CPU idle state > > > > I could not think of anything else related to the temperature, ATM. > > > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Johannes > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > > > > > 62C looks awfully high for playing music and writing emails. I have a Thank you very much for pointing this out -- turns out that I was missing cpufreq module -- restoring that to its proper place got me down to: dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 2866 dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 53 54 -1 52 37 -1 34 -1 where it belongs. I don't think it will ever be as well cooled as T43 due to its tight packaging though... > Thinkpad T43 (and T40) and it usually stays between 40-50C while doing > those types of things. When its building world, I get around 70C and > usually no higher. > I do notice, however, that FreeBSD seemed to never use the fan to its > potential on any of the Thinkpads I've used (T40 for 3 years, T43 for 3 > years). Comparably, Windows XP would rev the fan far higher than even > setting 'dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level=7' when under load. The fan can > certainly work faster (even when booting FreeBSD, its audibly > faster)...but 7 is the highest level acpi_ibm allows one to set. > > Here's my dev.acpi_ibm on a T43 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 4677 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 7 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 44 42 33 47 33 -1 24 -1 > > Using dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan=1 yields similar results, but the fan runs quieter. Can you, please, post sysctl.dev.cpu.0 results? > > Best Regards, > Nathan Lay -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko