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Date:      Wed, 19 Dec 2001 05:27:59 +0100
From:      "Anthony Atkielski" <anthony@freebie.atkielski.com>
To:        "Terry Lambert" <tlambert2@mindspring.com>, "Mike DeGraw-Bertsch" <mbertsch@radioactivedata.org>
Cc:        "Person, Roderick" <personrp@ccbh.com>, "Fergus Cameron" <cameron@argus-systems.com>, <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Hotmail _still_ runs FreeBSD!
Message-ID:  <014001c18845$8a87ef90$0a00000a@atkielski.com>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.33.0112182054470.90743-100000@glow> <3C1FFDE5.90B751FE@mindspring.com>

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Terry writes:

> Their list doesn't list common law trademarks
> for .NET and Passport because you have to show
> use over time.

If Microsoft were using and intended these as trademarks, it would list
them, even for a common-law assertion of trademark status.  They are not
stupid enough to deliberately or even accidentally omit two marks that would
be potentially crucial to their future strategy from their trademark list if
they really intended to treat them as trademarks.  Their failure to list
them, along with their conspicuous failure to treat them as such in every
other context I've examined, implies that they do not consider them
trademarks and do not plan to defend them as such.  Especially when
contrasted with their treatment of other potential and established
trademarks, this alone argues for a loss of any common-law status these two
marks might have.

> The incomplete registration shows their clear
> intent, in any case.

If they were established as common-law trademarks, they wouldn't need to
show intent.  And only one attempt to register a trademark is being made,
for .NET as a typed drawing.  That application does not show prior or
current commercial use of the mark.  I could find no application for
Passport.


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