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Date:      Sat, 15 Jan 2000 03:04:07 +0100 (CET)
From:      Juergen Lock <nox@jelal.kn-bremen.de>
To:        msmith@FreeBSD.ORG
Cc:        Mike Bristow <mike@urgle.com>, Mike Smith <msmith@FreeBSD.ORG>, R Joseph Wright <rjoseph@nwlink.com>, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: fbsdboot.exe can't load elf kernels
Message-ID:  <200001150204.DAA28337@saturn.kn-bremen.de>
In-Reply-To: <200001121739.JAA02551@mass.cdrom.com>
References:  <20000112170704.A5073@lindt.urgle.com>

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In article <200001121739.JAA02551@mass.cdrom.com> you write:
>> I still maintain that the /right/ solution is for the BIOS to have
>> a ``while booting shovel data out COM1 and accept data from COM1 as if
>> it were my keyboard'' option.  
>> 
>> I've seen them on (I think) NCR boxes. 
>
>Intel do this on their server boxes, to the extent that if you have a 
>colour ANSI terminal you can run fullscreen expansion BIOS tools like eg. 
>Adaptec's.  I'm reasonably sure that it's just an extra-price option from 
>the major BIOS vendors.

Compaq has something like this too, only better.  i recently
configured a Proliant 1600 server box that has a `integraded remote
console' that could even drive a modem (unless its a `win'modem,
obviously) and have it accept calls to `log in' to the console.
it lets you construct any key combination thru special character
sequences, force a reset remotely, capture NT's blue screen of
death, etc.  probably _very_ useful for the poor guys trying to
depend on `server OS'es less stable than unix... :)  (unfortunately
i didn't get around actually playing with it, and when i just wanted
to configure it to use a serial console the `usual' way i had to
use -h in boot.config because -P didn't work as it believed it
always had a keyboard.)

 And in case anyone else comes around such a machine...  you have
to run the setup CD that comes with it first, otherwise the BIOS
doesn't even know how much RAM it has, and the SCSI controller(s)
apparently don't get properly initialized causing the BOOTMFS kernel
to panic.  (i may even still have the actual place where in the
ncr driver it died in case that interests anyone...)  The setup CD
installs a DOS partition that can be used to do configurations
later (apparently it doesn't have any configuration screens in the
BIOS itself?), and after that the BIOS still didn't seem to report
the amount of RAM properly, the kernel still only saw 16MB until
i added VM86.  Oh and the on-board `tl'-type NIC caused a panic
once, so we installed an fxp.  (i got the crashdump and mailed
wpaul a backtrace but ne needed me to do more tests which i didn't
find the time for, sorry.  I only managed to update it to the latest
-stable before it got installed in order to get the sym driver...)

 Regards,
-- 
Juergen Lock <nox.foo@jelal.kn-bremen.de>
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