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Thu, 28 May 2020 08:33:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200527203627.2c9faae5@archlinux> <21722039-a01f-37d3-e035-6be2950485e2@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200528022232.662100a3@archlinux> <0e7aa839-eecf-37f7-4498-4ecc73f44689@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200528164705.278f3983.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200528162637.73917881c2c395f80a5384fc@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200528162637.73917881c2c395f80a5384fc@sohara.org> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:33:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: Polytropon , Valeri Galtsev , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49XsCz4Xdpz4q5P X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=qnWw6se+; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.38 / 15.00]; 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Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org