From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 19 16:36:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FE8C69A for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32313D4C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:36:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 45490CB8CA0; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:36:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from 128.135.70.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:36:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <31119.128.135.70.2.1424363804.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20150219125317.a919b9d8.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <54E39F83.70002@gmail.com> <51803.128.135.70.2.1424219858.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150218020243.366fe968@archlinux> <20150218190012.d865cbdf.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150219062512.0de2ee5a@scorpio> <20150219125317.a919b9d8.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:36:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: What's in my hard drive? 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From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Polytropon" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:36:45 -0000 On Thu, February 19, 2015 5:53 am, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:25:12 -0500, Jerry wrote: >> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:00:12 +0100, Polytropon stated: >> >> > Also keep in mind: there's a difference between "to protect" and "to >> > investigate" - and put that into context with defining priorities... >> >> The is also a difference between "to lie" and "to cover-up", but what >> has >> that got to do with the price of tea in China. > > The first one is a means, the second one is a goal. > There's also a difference between "ask for assistance" > and "blackmail", as well as between "just a bunch of > innocent photos of kids playing at the beach" and "child > pornography", or "a normal financial transaction" and > "impressive fraud". Which it is _said_ to be depends on > many aspects: who is investigated, by whom, how is > money involved, what "connections" are present and > so on. And in many cases, criminals seem to be much > better in achieving the "right evaluation" of their > actions than the investigators... Just saying. > > > >> It has never failed to amaze me though that those who cry the loudest >> about >> the invasion of privacy are the same individuals who have accumulated >> the most >> nefarious secrets to begin with. > > I wouldn't say so. Those with the really nefarious secrets > have excellent means to protect them, and they keep silent > and covered. Do you know what criminals hate most? Publicity. > They can't stand the attention of others when they get into > the focus of investigators or the society. That's why the > public knows (almost) nothing about what they're doing. > > Privacy will soon be a "luxury good of the wealthy ones". > Maybe this is just a beginning: > > http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/02/att-charges-29-more-for-gigabit-fiber-that-doesnt-watch-your-web-browsing/ > It sounds like they are making very smart move in the efficiency of data processing. Those who do not mind being watched will be watched as usually. Those who decided to pay extra for not being watched will be watched with even more detail and their data will be put through much deeper and thorough processing and analysis. ;-) Valeri > This doesn't affect me much because I live in a country > where mass surveillance (by several "interested parties") > is the sad reality. As I usually tend to say: Everything > that is technically possible WILL BE DONE, no matter if > we can immediately recognize it. Sometimes decades later > the truth comes out. In most cases. > > > >> Poll after poll have shown that the vox >> populi would rather err on the side of safety and security. > > Considerations of safety and security, put into relation > with privacy and freedom, don't matter for most "normal" > people as they value their commodity and time higher than > any of those abstract goods. They simply don't care. That's > why I wouldn't put much value on that kind of polls. Given > the right carefully selected "representative" sample and > nice statistical calculations, you can prove everything. :-) > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++