From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 29 09:07:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13227129 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-x22e.google.com (mail-qc0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C16B91193 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id x13so2302637qcv.33 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 01:07:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=/9PFN6iourOj1M1AkY+FzhIqx/x3CBL3hWpJJdULd0A=; b=fXjtEHE7039mBgcCu8GO7ugLBSOMceYxEhCvIIqldrxKtmtQ+oOe76MVMAFANpIs/q G1+iEvFNumq0Gwyo391+55ZpqLVJpNGfWZI+z8a81FB8GCKtrXlOC4otGp0Byr3rqVFv GS00jsMAlwPBW9wj8qjGtlgGd9O7C8fcIVorHqwnO952ituqfpEdSt0NZWehiKagsdfb eaA0g915DWKxEiiPTRBvXflPpSdRWLcxAvLd0iAIxoq9YbU3HU+7jNuCYcBZ5I1dnf4c 4ZC3An8mtsMgLLht4JrXLaCLEYSRv3PPgM9zb+oF5cyf3qLQRLMsbLh4L6ddsl7IRroL UkkA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.44.119 with SMTP id f110mr9555074qga.31.1390986446996; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 01:07:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.1.73 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 01:07:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:07:26 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What is the problem with ports PR reaction delays? From: Big Lebowski To: =?UTF-8?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=C3=ADa?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 Cc: Daniel Siechniewicz , FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:07:28 -0000 Unfortunately, nothing is happening. I expected to hear some voices about certain ideas that have popped up, like: * can we cut off old and 'unloved' PR's in order to reduce the amount of work and make reassessment of that amount * can we use people who volunteered to work on the PR's * can we incorporate automation in the PR workflow, for example, the one provided by redports * can we introduce new levels of access, the commiters that are commiting on the ports they're maintaining But beside few commiters taking part in the discussion, it seems like there is no action, and no one who would have some decisive powers have taken care to talk about the issues we're raising. Kind regards, B. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Fernando Apestegu=C3=ADa < fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com> wrote: > El 28/01/2014 16:04, "Daniel Siechniewicz" > escribi=C3=B3: > > > > Hi, > > > > Just a little stick in this anthill: > > > > - I've seen a few people volunteering, but so far the reaction seems > > to be: "oh, yeah, well, ah, cool". I'd expect, with all the talk about > > how much they are needed, that they will be "snatched" immediately and > > coerced into doing unspeakable things (like processing a 100 PRs a > > day, ensuring high quality testing and all that :) ). I certainly hope > > this is happening behind the scenes. > > > > - Tools are abundant, focusing on github vs. aegis is really just > > highjacking this thread. If there's a need for new tool set I suppose > > people who actually USE the existing ones for ports will be able to > > identify what's needed FOR THEM. Some form of democracy, I guess. > > > > - Yes, fresh look is very important, but you can't tear down something > > without knowing the consequences, which pretty much means not without > > in depth knowledge of the existing mechanisms. Not everyone in this > > discussion seems to be coming from this perspective. > > > > - Absolutely, automate the shit out of the process, get rid of stale > > PR's (and ports, for that matter), "retire" inactive commiters, etc. > > But first and foremost, get some stats out of the system, there's no > > point throwing numbers like 50% this, 80% that, if you simply don't > > know. Measure, analyze and focus your attention where it gets the most > > benefits. > > +1 > > I wrote the same thing expecting someone to have a look at gnat's databas= e > and collect some numbers > > > > > - And stop petty squabbles. > > > > > > Regards, > > Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >