From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 14 17:52: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from monorchid.lemis.com (monorchid.lemis.com [192.109.197.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAA737B405 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by monorchid.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF5D6786E3; Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:21:58 +1030 (CST) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:21:58 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: scanner@jurai.net Cc: Brad Knowles , Hiten Pandya , Terry Lambert , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM suing (was: RMS Suing was [SUGGESTION] - JFS for FreeBSD) Message-ID: <20011215122158.A87600@monorchid.lemis.com> References: <20011215112539.L85108@monorchid.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 14 December 2001 at 20:26:35 -0500, scanner@jurai.net wrote: > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: > > [...snip...] > >>> IMO, we'd be better off asking SGI (and their former employees) >>> about XFS. Or just come up with our own journaling filesystem that >>> is totally independant of the IBM code (satisfies the same design >>> goals at the highest level, but below that point shares no >>> specifications or implementation details). >> >> "Reinvent the wheel". > > Sure. Why not? Linux has been doing it since day one. The entire Linux OS > is a "revinention of the wheel". To hell with building on the foundation > of others. > >>> Indeed, I think we could safely argue that softupdates is a >>> long ways towards this goal as it is, and that in many ways it is >>> superior. Combine that with dirprefs and dirhash, and I see very >>> little reason to want JFS. >> >> Indeed. One of the reasons I'd like to see a JFS port is to be able >> to compare it with the current UFS. I really wouldn't like to bet on >> which one came out on top. But so far, we only have theoretical >> papers to base our opinions on. > > Yes doing so would be nice. For that exact reason. To see some real > numbers and how they stack up. However i'm with brad it would be better > considering the nature of the GPL on JFS, to get co-operation from > SGI. Maybe they would consider another point of view in licensing their > XFS to the BSD folks. Then again maybe not. I'd bet on them not doing it. > And again I think the only solution that is even going to remotely > fly is to talk to vendors about getting source under a BSD like > license. I think with the right people at SGI some sane discussions > could take place. Feel free to go ahead. But I really don't think that you'll have much success. Don't get me wrong, I think that XFS has a lot of advantages too. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message