From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 4 15:25:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9612737B437 for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 57604 invoked by uid 100); 4 Apr 2002 23:23:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15532.57476.121017.33555@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:23:48 -0600 To: "Anthony Atkielski" Cc: Subject: Re: Anti-Unix Site Runs Unix In-Reply-To: <002601c1dc2e$aa7e6120$0a00000a@atkielski.com> References: <20020402113404.A52321@lpt.ens.fr> <3CA9854E.A4D86CC4@mindspring.com> <20020402123254.H49279@lpt.ens.fr> <009301c1da83$9fa73170$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15530.6987.977637.574551@guru.mired.org> <012601c1dadb$104d5100$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.2846.277278.29276@guru.mired.org> <005e01c1db44$e10d2a40$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.27851.19169.720598@guru.mired.org> <001301c1db55$7c883950$0301a8c0@NITEDOG> <009201c1db5e$41b1baa0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.33743.830853.456500@guru.mired.org> <00c801c1db62$baa46b20$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15531.36674.46968.714882@guru.mired.org> <003e01c1db8d$88a745e0$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15532.50244.102425.795045@guru.mired.org> <001201c1dc29$6503eb10$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15532.55566.545491.30092@guru.mired.org> <002601c1dc2e$aa7e6120$0a00000a@atkielski.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.51 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <002601c1dc2e$aa7e6120$0a00000a@atkielski.com>, Anthony Atkielski typed: > Mike writes: > > Only people who are actually interested in > > improving their work environment so they can > > get more work done care about such things. > Or people who don't actually have anything else to do. Like learning to juggle, yeah. > > Apple didn't copy it from Smalltalk, but > > they did get it from Xerox. > What Xerox product did it come from, if not Smalltalk? It could have been any number of them. The alpha workstation, for instance. > Why do my statements constitute a "spin," if yours represent the "truth"? Because mine have an objective measurement backing them. > > But there are similar numbers of applications > > available for Unix ... > But they are not applications used by desktop users. Neither are most of the ones for Windows. > > ... and virtually none of them run on Windows. > Windows is not a server. All those "smart people" you > > Let's see: I listed the hardware I have, > > you haven't listed any that is in common use > > that I can't use on FreeBSD. > Nikon scanners. That's why I bought a Windows XP machine. You can use those with FreeBSD. > I have objective papers on photography and chess, and I suspect you don't. > But they are just as irrelevant to this discussion as window management. I have to agree about the relevance of most everything you say to the discussion. I keep hoping you'll provide facts that might actually demonstrate something. So far you haven't disappointed me by doing so. > > You refuse to provide an application list ... > I provided a very long list once before, if you recall. Yes, and there wasn't anything on it that you couldn't replace with a similar Unix application. > > So why don't you do that, and not bother those > > of us who are differnt from the majority, and > > act surprised and upset when your biases turn > > out to be false for us? > It's entertaining to rattle the case of the angry young males. They never > catch on. Neither do idiots. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message