From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 2 10: 2:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.Surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21F537B71D for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9C114C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.156.17.76]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10368; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:00:25 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596E6AC2C; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:06:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07542; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:01:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:01:32 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Jeremiah Gowdy , Travis Cole , "Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and IRC Message-ID: <20000502190132.A7377@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000501183644.A75942@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <20000501221654.A20589@wcug.wwu.edu> <000f01bfb3f9$5db2f0e0$5a5d0418@vista1.sdca.home.com> <20000502000316.A24887@wcug.wwu.edu> <20000502094046.B2489@cichlids.cichlids.com> <002801bfb44a$9744a0a0$5a5d0418@vista1.sdca.home.com> <20000502173315.A6023@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000502123351.V86725@jade.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000502123351.V86725@jade.chc-chimes.com>; from billf@chc-chimes.com on Tue, May 02, 2000 at 12:33:51PM -0400 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Bill Fumerola (billf@chc-chimes.com): > (1) They expect that it is their God-given right to get help in #freebsd. That is not true. When I was a lamer^Wnewbie, I went to the next IRC-Channel and asked something (how to extract a .tar.gz, actually). They told me, that there are manpages that explain most commands, and that there are many other docs on the internet at that-and-that place. Well done, after I had _this_ info I could find out myself and I did. But one had to point me to this things. People just don't imagine that there is a command like "man" which explains things. > evading bans by coming back under different hostnames, > /msg flooding the ops/flooding the channel, > Using DoS attacks on the ops, > getting their friends to troll the channel. Eh, Bill :-) This are of course reasons to ki{ck,ll} [1] people, but I'm not talking about these guys. I talk about newbies. > (2) I try to put #freebsdhelp and or the handbook/FAQ in my kick reason. That's what I meant. Why is "/k newbie check #freebsdhelp" shorter for you than "please ask in #freebsdhelp". > (3) I often kick with the answer to the question/URL for more information. Same as above. Alex [1] IRC-Operator-Kill -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message