From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Sun Jul 14 18:09:14 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771EFA1B2A for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:09:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [18.222.6.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C55083604; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:44:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (unknown [18.188.142.31]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9EFD21FCD3; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:44:32 +0000 From: Mark Linimon To: Ian Lepore Cc: Denis Polygalov , Sergey Manucharian , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE and 11.2-RELEASE images fail to boot on BeagleBone Black Message-ID: <20190714174432.GC26897@lonesome.com> References: <8352f841-0522-9f45-148d-d2948e97857e@gmail.com> <20190713152404.GJ1503@dendrobates> <6b3dcec02b425a8559605b4e6c5ada19ee642728.camel@freebsd.org> <20190713194256.GK1503@dendrobates> <85e35455-793a-84fe-c8cf-39b89ade7c11@gmail.com> <900bc3467c7e28f58e8e6cf17e881bdefcb3b751.camel@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <900bc3467c7e28f58e8e6cf17e881bdefcb3b751.camel@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0C55083604 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.43 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.25)[ip: (0.03), ipnet: 18.220.0.0/14(0.14), asn: 16509(-1.34), country: US(-0.06)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lonesome.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.90)[-0.905,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[11.6.222.18.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.soaustin.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.13)[-0.134,0]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.84)[-0.837,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:18.220.0.0/14, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:09:14 -0000 On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 10:04:30AM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: > That's why I've talked several times in terms of "weekly snapshots" and > "12-STABLE" which is NOT 12-RELEASE. Although the FreeBSD FAQ is old, stinky, and rotten, this part is still valid: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.html#idp42812792 > Two or three years ago it looked like arm was at the point where it > should be a tier-1 platform, and I put a lot of effort into things like > testing releases, because releases that actually work seem like an > important thing for a tier-1 platform. I will have to admit ignorance of the past history, so I can't address what went wrong there. But my own view as a very casual user of arm is this: - we need more people doing testing (both releases and snapshots), and reporting the results. - we need to be better about gathering that information together. IMHO it's impossible (and even if possible, unfair), to expect one person to test N arm boards. Also IMHO, the information in the wiki is only as good as the people who contribute to it make it. I think I can offer the following page(s) as a proof that we (the FreeBSD community) *can* do this right, if we put our minds to it: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops Dozens of people have contributed to this page and its sub-pages over the years. If enough people are interested, I can put together a page modeled on this, and we can see where it goes from there. mcl