From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 10 03:41:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69F4106568B for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:41:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC578FC14 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o1A3fgKo012692; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:41:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id o1A3fgaS012689; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:41:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:41:42 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Christof Schulze In-Reply-To: <201002100202.59954.christof.schulze@gmx.com> Message-ID: References: <6101e8c41002091524q25a7e026u585e575eb4f1589c@mail.gmail.com> <4B71FFA8.3070306@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <201002100202.59954.christof.schulze@gmx.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:41:42 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd7, radeon, xorg-server -> deadlock or so X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:41:44 -0000 On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Christof Schulze wrote: >> The situation is heavily unsatisfying, since one need an expensive >> AMD/ATi Radeon card to gain non-3D poor functionality, where a cheaper >> one should be do the same - but the cheaper ones don't work. Even if one >> uses AMD64, the situattion is worse and I have no reason using >> Linux-driver on a FreeBSD box. Hope the situation gets cleared in the >> nearest future. It's a kind of deadlock. As I said, either spenig a lot >> of money for a working RV770 based AMD graphics card with poor >> functionality or nothing so far, since most smaller RV730 chips aren't >> supported properly by the most recent drivers. > To be fair - my ATI X300 has always worked. It is a cheap card with low-end > performance but it is perfectly fine for regular desktop-use. The older chipsets are better supported because the newer ones are, well, newer. If you haven't bought a video card yet, look at the radeon(4x) man page first. Unfortunately, that doesn't help if you already have a newer card, or a notebook. The other choices are Intel, where they don't have standalone video cards, or nVidia, which has a full-featured blob and a really bare-bones open driver. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA